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The largest ocean clean up effort to date has hit a snag

Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:29 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:29 am
Forbes article: Worlds largest ocean cleanup effort has begun

I remember watching a special about this kid and his design and thinking, “you know what, good for you kid. I hope this works”

Forbes article discussing why the system failed

quote:

The problem

System 001 consists of a 600-meter (almost 2,000-foot) long floater, with a 3-meter (10-foot) deep skirt attached below. The floater is designed to prevent plastics from flowing over the system, while the skirt stops smaller particles from escaping underneath. The setup takes advantage of natural oceanic forces to catch and concentrate the plastic.

But apart from 2 metric tons of discarded “ghost nets,“ no significant amount of plastic has been extracted from System 001 yet, group leaders say. Plastic enters the system, but is only retained for a few days, which is not long enough to harvest it and keep going. This problem came to light in mid-November, and The Ocean Cleanup’s engineering and technology teams have been working to identify the cause and a solution.


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The most-likely reason is that the system is not moving quickly enough at every occurring condition,” Holierhoek says. “It needs to move faster than the plastic at all times so as to retain all plastic it’s caught.” The skirt is meant to create a downward flow to allow marine life to safely pass underneath it. ”It is great that no negative impact on sea life has been observed so far,” she said. “And this is of course also a prerequisite for what we consider a successful design.”


I hope they actually fix it and actually make it work
Posted by brass2mouth
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:31 am to
I remember this too.


Hopefully they can figure it out. Seemed like a very good idea just needs a little execution tweaking.
Posted by OweO
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:33 am to
There was a 60 mins segment on this.

From what I understood, there were a lot of flaws in this system.

In theory, its a great idea. Glad to see he secured funds to work on this, hopefully they are able to work out all the flaws.
Posted by Langland
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:45 am to
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:56 am to
Our trash truck rips the lids off because he doesn't stop before he grabs it with the grabber. Damn lid will fly halfway across the front yard.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:02 am to
Great concept, crappy design. Didn't they do field trials before releasing the hounds?

Hopefully they can work out the kinks in a hurry
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:05 am to
"hit a snag" - I automatically think that one of these caused a problem:
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:14 am to
They'll get it working. I'm sure the buildup is forcing plastic to be pushed underneath the boom or something.

This kid is very impressive. Really hope this ends up working. Ocean plastic is pretty damn awful.


ETA:

Appears changing current direction is pulling the plastic out of the trapped area.

And they think they've got a fix:

quote:

"We do not expect it will (affect the 90% by 2040 goal)," Holierhoek said. "If the cause of the problem we identified and the solution we have produced are correct, there will be no significant delay as we allowed for float in our schedule, exactly for this purpose ..."

This post was edited on 8/9/19 at 10:21 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:17 am to
quote:

Didn't they do field trials before releasing the hounds?


They did small scale ones with ocean current imitated artificially in big pools and then did a smaller version in the actual ocean.

It worked in trials, but they didn't encounter the same issue they are now apparently.

To be fair to the kid, it was his original idea/concept, but he has some very bright engineers working on the actual design. It wasn't all his design in his garage or something. I think they'll get it going. Might need to make the underpart go deeper or something.


ETA:

Was a good 60 minutes if y'all want to look it up on CBS's website.
This post was edited on 8/9/19 at 10:18 am
Posted by JPinLondon
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:21 am to
thanks for posting!! I hope they figure it out, reducing this type of pollution is something that is hard to argue the benefits.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78076 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:29 am to
quote:

I hope they actually fix it and actually make it work


if the fricktard climate change idiots would spend their time focusing on this VERY REAL PROBLEM in the ocean we might actually do something to clean up the environment.

but no, lets ban plastic straws instead.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:11 am to
quote:


if the fricktard climate change idiots would spend their time focusing on this VERY REAL PROBLEM in the ocean we might actually do something to clean up the environment.

but no, lets ban plastic straws instead.


You can do both?

But I agree we shouldn't ban plastic straws. It shouldn't be a government thing. But businesses should aggressively try to burn through less single use plastic.

Point being, we can do a lot of things to help, even in small ways. Plastic in the US is just getting shipped to India and they're dumping it in the ocean.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:28 am to
Color me skeptical on a number of fronts.

They have had this ship going back and forth through the "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" for almost a year and it has basically picked up nothing? That is not a tweak here or there, that isn't even close.

The great pacific garbage patch has been overhyped as a giant mass of plastic garbage the size of Texas that is visible from ships, and yet no pictures of said mass have been produced.

That isn't to say plastics don't impact our oceans or we shouldn't conserve our environment, but this whole thing was overhyped just like the dying polar bear.
Posted by Emteein
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Member since Jun 2011
3887 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:31 am to
you know, that's one thing they never addressed in Wall-e. Sure he cleaned up and stacked all the trash on land, but what about all the crap in the water? Maybe they will address this in Wall-e part 2.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37503 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:33 am to
Quick google search says pictures do exist
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:39 am to
quote:

They have had this ship going back and forth through the "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" for almost a year and it has basically picked up nothing? That is not a tweak here or there, that isn't even close.



They pick up plastic, but it washes off the boom system every couple of days before they can collect it. It's supposed to collect for months before collection because that is a big lift in itself.

quote:

The great pacific garbage patch has been overhyped as a giant mass of plastic garbage the size of Texas that is visible from ships, and yet no pictures of said mass have been produced.



There are literally thousands of pictures of this. And as gross as the pictures are, the patches clump together even larger below the surface.

This isn't some myth. It isn't some partisan issue. India and China (and a couple others) have dumped a mind-blowing amount of plastic into the ocean and it is having seriously negative consequences on marine life.

Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Quick google search says pictures do exist


Please provide.

LINK

quote:

Gabetti added that the so-called Great Pacific Garbage Patch, where The Ocean Cleanup plans to eventually deploy up to 60 waste-collecting rigs, has low concentrations of mostly very small plastic particles spaced far apart, making effective capture of plastic difficult.

"It's a soup more than an island [of floating debris]," she said, adding that calling it a garbage patch is a "huge semantic mistake".


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Huang said the media had hyped the project, diverting attention from less glamorous projects aimed at stopping plastic from entering the ocean in the first place. "Media bought into and gave it fuel," he said. "This is very bad for many real solutions worldwide." Huang added: "We all want a project like this to work but with a little research you realise this cannot be a plausible solution."
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37503 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:41 am to
One of the interesting things that I think blue planet documented was that there is now an entire thriving ecosystem using the garbage patches as shelter and housing.

I’m honestly curious as to the fate of the patches if never cleaned up. In the same breath though, I want it cleaned up and people to quit throwing their plastic into the fricking rivers and ocean
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37503 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:42 am to
You want me to link a google image search? Ok as you wish


LINK
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:43 am to


This is what I've seen in most documentaries/photos.

Something that looks more like a giant trail of crap instead of one island of debris.

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