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re: The largest ocean clean up effort to date has hit a snag
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:44 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:44 am to TheCaterpillar
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There are literally thousands of pictures of this. And as gross as the pictures are, the patches clump together even larger below the surface.
Provide one that shows a giant patch of garbage. Some kind of photo from a drone, airplane or satellite is needed. A close up shot of a ton of garbage in the ocean is not what I am asking for.
Every shot I see appears to be shots of garbage from Asian or Indian harbors.
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:44 am to TheCaterpillar
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A new report has revealed that the Great Pacific Garbage Patch – an enormous swath of trillions of plastic items and trash floating between California and Hawaii – is three times the size of France and growing rapidly.
The study, published in Scientific Reports, analyzed aerial views and a total of 1.2 million plastic samples obtained from the patch. Researchers extrapolated that, at the least, there are 79 thousand tons of plastic floating in the patch, four times greater than previously estimated. The garbage patch covers more than 617,000 square miles, 16 times larger than scientists believed.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:45 am to Oilfieldbiology
We could just bomb India and eliminate a majority of the waste in our Oceans right there.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:46 am to CivilTiger83
You're the one who brought the claim of "visible from space" into this thread and used the lack of those photos as your evidence that the GPGP doesn't even exist.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:47 am to TheCaterpillar
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This is what I've seen in most documentaries/photos.
Something that looks more like a giant trail of crap instead of one island of debris.
That is exactly my point. That is on a coast. That is nowhere near the great pacific garbage patch.
Again I am not saying countries should not be trying to clean up their harbors and rivers from plastic going out to see - which is mostly coming from Asia and China. I am saying the specific great pacific garbage patch was overhyped.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:47 am to CivilTiger83
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Every shot I see appears to be shots of garbage from Asian or Indian harbors.
Most of the photos I've seen do not appear to be in Asian or Indian harbors.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:48 am to TheCaterpillar
Caterpillar, that picture is also obviously on the coast and not anywhere close to the location of the great pacific garbage patch.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:50 am to CivilTiger83
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I am saying the specific great pacific garbage patch was overhyped.
You're saying you're panties are in wad because there isn't a space photo of it. You thought it was a massive trash island seen from space. If that was the case, it would be a lot easier to clean up.
It is essentially a jet stream of trash in the ocean. It is constantly flowing and moving around the ocean with the current.
The whole point of this invention in the OP was to go in and out of that current and let the power of the ocean do the work. Kind of like a mobile filter.
Sorry the space photos are plentiful so you doubt the work of thousands of scientists and photos from boats.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:51 am to TheCaterpillar
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You're the one who brought the claim of "visible from space" into this thread and used the lack of those photos as your evidence that the GPGP doesn't even exist.
You could easily fly a low level drone to provide real pictures of the great pacific garbage patch. With the $40 million that one project received in funding, they could spare a couple hundred grand to do just that. Is it not curious to you that they haven't?
Instead you keep providing pictures along harbors that are proving my point.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:52 am to CivilTiger83
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Caterpillar, that picture is also obviously on the coast and not anywhere close to the location of the great pacific garbage patch.
It stretches near the coasts as those are the inputs of the trash...obviously that is where more photos come from.
Here is what it looks like at sea and you can tell why it's hard to see from space:
The ocean isn't a calm lake and the trash isn't clumped one giant contiguous mass. The waves and white caps in the middle of the Pacific Ocean make it not as clean of a photo as you're begging for.
This post was edited on 8/9/19 at 11:55 am
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:53 am to TheCaterpillar
NOAA link describing the patch
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Garbage patches aren’t a solid patch. The name conjures images of a floating landfill in the middle of the ocean, with miles of bobbing plastic bottles and rogue yogurt cups. While it's true that these areas have a higher concentration of plastic than other parts of the ocean, much of the debris found in these areas are small bits of plastic, or microplastics, smaller than 5mm in size that are suspended throughout the water column. The debris is more like flecks of pepper floating throughout a bowl of soup, rather than a skim of fat that accumulates or sits on the surface. Microplastics are nearly ubiquitous today in the marine environment and may come from larger pieces of plastic that have broken down over time, from fleece jackets or plastic microbeads added to face scrubs. The impacts of these microplastics on marine life is an area of active research.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:54 am to TheCaterpillar
Earth hater NBC News did a story on the overhype...
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When the scientists extrapolated their results into estimates of how much plastic is swirling in ocean gyres, their numbers were just about the same as what other studies have found. But those numbers don't match up with the imagery often described in the media, White said. She has presented her findings to other experts and is preparing a paper for publication.
"You might see a piece of Styrofoam or a bit of fishing line float by at random intervals after hours or 20 minutes, but greater than 90 percent of the plastic was less than 10 millimeters in diameter," she said. "If you filled a thousand Nalgene water bottles in the North Pacific, three to five would have one piece of plastic in them the size of an eraser."
On an expedition through the garbage patch last summer with the Sea Education Association and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, author and biogeographer David M. Lawrence noticed a similar pattern. Most of the plastic their boat picked up was tiny, widely dispersed and invisible to the naked eye.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:58 am to CivilTiger83
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Earth hater NBC News did a story on the overhype...
They did a story on why you can't see it as well as people like you think you should be able to...they didn't say it was smaller than people though.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:58 am to Oilfieldbiology
He should be jailed for the content for sure. I’d jail his arse independently for sloppy and unsafe firearm handling.
Also, who filmed the video? Maybe he or she needs a talking to as well.
Also, who filmed the video? Maybe he or she needs a talking to as well.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:59 am to JudgeHolden
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He should be jailed for the content for sure. I’d jail his arse independently for sloppy and unsafe firearm handling.
Also, who filmed the video? Maybe he or she needs a talking to as well.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:59 am to TheCaterpillar
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The ocean isn't a calm lake and the trash isn't clumped one giant contiguous mass. The waves and white caps in the middle of the Pacific Ocean make it not as clean of a photo as you're begging for.
I remember watching news reports a couple years ago about all of this. They show shots of coastal trash from areas like China and India and make it sounds like they are filming the great pacific garbage patch... which is exactly what you did when asked for pictures.
Again... I am not saying we should allow the oceans to be polluted. I am saying this whole project was conceived and pitched with false marketing. And the project isn't working. And we don't know the ecological impacts of these skimmers either... they might even be doing more harm than good.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 12:00 pm to JudgeHolden
Wrong thread my man
Posted on 8/9/19 at 12:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
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They did a story on why you can't see it as well as people like you think you should be able to...they didn't say it was smaller than people though.
So seeing a single piece of trash every 20 minutes to a couple of hours is what you imagined when the media described it?
Posted on 8/9/19 at 12:17 pm to CivilTiger83
Why spend so much time trying to downplay it? Regardless of the degree, it's still obviously a problem worthy of proposed solutions. Your energy seems wasted.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 12:22 pm to CivilTiger83
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So seeing a single piece of trash every 20 minutes to a couple of hours is what you imagined when the media described it?
I don't really remember the media describing it outside of 60 minutes and they portrayed in accurately. I've always thought about it as mostly micro-plastics with some big pieces floating up top that all floated up and down from the surface with the ocean current and constantly traveled.
I don't watch mainstream media though.
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