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The illusion of moral decline
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:29 am
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06137-x
Over the past 70 years, survey respondents worldwide have consistently said they think humanity is experiencing a decline in kindness, honesty, and other values—but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
The vast majority of 220,000 Americans surveyed between 1949 and 2019 said the state of moral values was worse at the time of being surveyed than it was before. Similar polling in 59 other countries had pretty much the same results, according to the study.
But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?” Some respondents even said the people in their social circles showed moral improvements between 2005 and 2020.
So, why do we yearn for the supposed good ol’ days? One theory attributes it to the brain’s rose-colored tendencies when reminiscing. Our habit of focusing on bad stuff in the present, likely aided by mass media covering more bad news than good, could also be to blame.
Over the past 70 years, survey respondents worldwide have consistently said they think humanity is experiencing a decline in kindness, honesty, and other values—but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
The vast majority of 220,000 Americans surveyed between 1949 and 2019 said the state of moral values was worse at the time of being surveyed than it was before. Similar polling in 59 other countries had pretty much the same results, according to the study.
But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?” Some respondents even said the people in their social circles showed moral improvements between 2005 and 2020.
So, why do we yearn for the supposed good ol’ days? One theory attributes it to the brain’s rose-colored tendencies when reminiscing. Our habit of focusing on bad stuff in the present, likely aided by mass media covering more bad news than good, could also be to blame.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:30 am to Big_Sur
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but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
You simps believe anything.
Morality is subjective. Your study is a fraud.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You simps believe anything.
Morality is subjective. Your study is a fraud.
You do realize that you're contradicting yourself right?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
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You simps believe anything.
Very true. The only way a study could show morals are not in decline is by ignoring the fact things that have been viewed as immoral since antiquity are no longer viewed as such.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Roger leave this kind of thing to people that have a formal education, its over your head.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:34 am to Big_Sur
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The illusion of moral decline
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:35 am to Big_Sur
What, you mean to tell me that a government grant funded "study" led by progressive fricks found that everything was just wonderfully beautiful in today's world.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:37 am to Big_Sur
I read this right after I read the "Facebook admits to lying about Covid" and the "firefighter saves a teen girl's concert dress" threads. Seeing the girl smile in front of a burned home holding a dress and seeing idiots deny that we are lied to by media is a perfect lead in to this thread....LOL
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You simps believe anything.
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by RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:41 am to Darth_Vader
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Very true. The only way a study could show morals are not in decline is by ignoring the fact things that have been viewed as immoral since antiquity are no longer viewed as such.
The inverse is also true: things that were previously considered highly moral, like spraying little black children with fire hoses, is now significantly frowned upon. I don't know how you're inclined to view the grand scale of morality, but I'm happy to trade "we no longer lock people in cages for being gay" for "we no longer brutally murder people because of the color of their skin."
On second thought, both of those things seem like improvements...
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:43 am to adamau
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What, you mean to tell me that a government grant funded "study" led by progressive fricks found that everything was just wonderfully beautiful in today's world.
A study that shows there is no moral decline based on a whole lot of subjectivity.
I really don't care about morals, I do care about accountability though.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:45 am to Big_Sur
I think you’d have to get people to agree on what morality even is for us to begin to have this discussion in earnest.
I think it’s the pursuit of the life well lived. I think this entails identifying certain virtues (such as patience, courage, etc) that when all are adhered to leads to greater societal happiness and human flourishing.
Others do not take this view and lean into more concrete sets of rules derived from consequentialist or deontological frameworks, and it makes this conversation difficult. So we really need to nail down a definition.
I think it’s the pursuit of the life well lived. I think this entails identifying certain virtues (such as patience, courage, etc) that when all are adhered to leads to greater societal happiness and human flourishing.
Others do not take this view and lean into more concrete sets of rules derived from consequentialist or deontological frameworks, and it makes this conversation difficult. So we really need to nail down a definition.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:46 am to Joshjrn
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l, like spraying little black children with fire hoses, is now significantly frowned upon.
yet theft of less than $1,000 is going unpunished, drugs abuse is at raging high levels and progressives think black people are incapable of making good choices, and require regulation.
Morality is subjective. The OP is stupid.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:47 am to Big_Sur
Overall, people have become less brutal and more sensible, but morality is much bigger than that.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:oh, you’re serious
Morality is subjective
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:48 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Morality is subjective
oh, you’re serious
Very.
And correct
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:50 am to Big_Sur
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But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?”
What does this have to do with morality?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:52 am to Dawgfanman
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What does this have to do with morality?
Progressives redefine everything.
its bullshite. it describes personal feelings, not objective morality.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:53 am to Dawgfanman
Without a tool to measure this it is purely subjective.
Ever read the Old Testament?
Just sayin'
Ever read the Old Testament?
Just sayin'
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:54 am to Big_Sur
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there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?”
People are now getting killed for “disrespekt” so the numbers may be skewed
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