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re: The Free State of Jones ( a little Civil War discussion)
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:56 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:56 pm to Napoleon
The 20 slave rule has some logical sense. You don't want that many slaves to suddenly 8find out their master is dead, having no one around to control them.
However, obviously on its face you'd be pissed they don't have to fight, and if there wasn't at least some kind of "make up" obligation by those owners for their deferment then I'd want to rebel too.
However, obviously on its face you'd be pissed they don't have to fight, and if there wasn't at least some kind of "make up" obligation by those owners for their deferment then I'd want to rebel too.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 9:57 pm
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:00 pm to lsusa
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And 150 years later, the middle class in the South is still being suckered into making sure the plantation class thrives using race and economic fear.
democrats then and democrats now
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:11 pm to Napoleon
There is a ferry named after my family up there.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:31 pm to Napoleon
They filmed a lot of it in Clinton, LA. Had to drive way around out of my way for days
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:32 pm to Bushmaster
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This is the one they filmed in Clinton?
I believe it is.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:46 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
The 20 slave rule has some logical sense. You don't want that many slaves to suddenly 8find out their master is dead, having no one around to control them.
However, obviously on its face you'd be pissed they don't have to fight, and if there wasn't at least some kind of "make up" obligation by those owners for their deferment then I'd want to rebel too.
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You don't really think the primary purpose of the 20 Slave Rule was to prevent the possibility of a series of slave revolts at some point in the future, do you?
At least the Yankees were more honest about allowing the upper crust to dodge the draft. They were allowed to hire a "substitute" to serve for them. I think the going rate was about $300.
However, obviously on its face you'd be pissed they don't have to fight, and if there wasn't at least some kind of "make up" obligation by those owners for their deferment then I'd want to rebel too.
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You don't really think the primary purpose of the 20 Slave Rule was to prevent the possibility of a series of slave revolts at some point in the future, do you?
At least the Yankees were more honest about allowing the upper crust to dodge the draft. They were allowed to hire a "substitute" to serve for them. I think the going rate was about $300.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:51 pm to Napoleon
Wonderful angle on things but some serious issues with it. Especially with hindsight.
First off let me say my family settled southern Louisiana (bayou Lafouche area) early 1800s. They were poor and remained settlers and share cropers till mid 1900s. Maybe it runs deeper but they hated the north. They hated the big govt it stood for and the tyranny it signified.
My family was Islanos. They were minority, legal, immigrants. They despised the freed slaves and what they became after being freed.
I just can't take any ones perception and interpretation of the times as a fact over the perception of my family and stories passed down from them.
First off let me say my family settled southern Louisiana (bayou Lafouche area) early 1800s. They were poor and remained settlers and share cropers till mid 1900s. Maybe it runs deeper but they hated the north. They hated the big govt it stood for and the tyranny it signified.
My family was Islanos. They were minority, legal, immigrants. They despised the freed slaves and what they became after being freed.
I just can't take any ones perception and interpretation of the times as a fact over the perception of my family and stories passed down from them.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 12:03 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:58 pm to Napoleon
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Interesting to me. A lot of people (n this board especially) romanticize the South. We forget that the middle class and soldiers families were being shite on so that the plantation class could survive. Interesting to see how many confederate families starved because of crooked Confederate tax officials. It's easy to see why the Free State of Jones was declared.
GFY
I know exactly what happened. Yeah I love the south, not because what happened before my family ever set foot in this country. And frankly I get tired of people like you just generalizing southerners like we are pissed off slavery doesn't still exist.
Seriously, go frick yourself.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:03 am to wolfonthebayou
quote:You are not educated on the law, it seems.
wolfonthebayou
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:20 am to dgnx6
I think you are going a little far. I'm not saying all. I'm saying some, maybe many.
Generalizing? I'm trying to discuss something a lot of people aren't familiar with, and the basis of a movie coming out soon.
Generalizing? I'm trying to discuss something a lot of people aren't familiar with, and the basis of a movie coming out soon.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:32 am to Napoleon
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I think it's glanced over that Confederate citizens were getting fricked over so bad by their own government. Then to spit in their face by allowing slave owners the right to not fight, when they where the main reason behind the war.
Same in the North. Wealthy folks could pay a substitute to go in their place.(including future Pres Cleveland) They also go stuck with he first income tax. Draft Riots....
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:34 am to White Roach
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You don't really think the primary purpose of the 20 Slave Rule was to prevent the possibility of a series of slave revolts at some point in the future, do you?
I don't.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:38 am to Napoleon
I think the old newt was more outlaw than anything else.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:37 am to Teddy Ruxpin
I hoping they tell it as my ancestors told it to me. I had a copy of the original book "Echo of the Black Horn" but lost it in Katrina. My family fought for Jones County and we were always told they did it because they realized this was a rich mans war and they had nothing to gain from either side. Both the North and South came through and took everything from them and left them with nothing so they decided to fight for themselves to keep what was theirs.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:47 am to Napoleon
I went to High School in Jones county Mississippi. All the Yokels were proud of the whole free state of Jones deal.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:49 am to Placebeaux
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There is a ferry named after my family up there
Reddoch's ?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:14 am to White Roach
I would imagine the 20 slave rule also helped the south continue to produce food/cotton during the war.
Where's Darth when you need him?
Where's Darth when you need him?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:17 am to CousCous
Question is, will the movie make it about the real reason they didn't want to fight for the Confederacy, or will they make it a race issue?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:20 am to Napoleon
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Interesting to me. A lot of people (n this board especially) romanticize the South. We forget that the middle class and soldiers families were being shite on so that the plantation class could survive. Interesting to see how many confederate families starved because of crooked Confederate tax officials.
It happens in every war by all sides. In is unavoidable side effect in most wars that the civilians suffer the most.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:34 am to High C
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Question is, will the movie make it about the real reason they didn't want to fight for the Confederacy, or will they make it a race issue?
I think you have answered your own question
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