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re: The FBI monitored a website for hiring a hitman; a New Orleans woman fell for it.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:08 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:08 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s still entrapment. Yes, she’s an idiot for falling for it. But it’s still entrapment.
It’s 100% not entrapment
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:09 pm to SeeeeK
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this is what the fbi spends time doing, setting traps for americans. they are a 100% enemy of the people
This is pretty much the only answer to this.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:09 pm to Zaqwert
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He was savy enough to discuss his services in code, called it "wet work"
To kill your dentist boss that sexually harasses you? Were Nick and Kurt with you, Dale?
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:11 pm to Finch
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It’s 100% not entrapment
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Finch
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:12 pm to Darth_Vader
Knowing the actual law instead of spewing misinformation doesn’t make me a boot licker, it just means I’m not an idiot
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:13 pm to SeeeeK
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this is what the fbi spends time doing, setting traps for americans.
I don't think the Feds created the site or are involved in the upkeep or management of the site. I think I remember with the first story of someone seriously attempting to use this site the owners turned them in to police. All the Feds are doing now is just watching idiots who believe it is legit make a terribly stupid decision to try to use it.
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they are a 100% enemy of the people
My above statement doesn't mean I disagree with this. I 100% agree with it.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:13 pm to Finch
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Knowing the actual law instead of spewing misinformation doesn’t make me a boot licker, it just means I’m not an idiot
You’re the worst sort of idiot, the sort that’s convinced yourself you’re not an idiot.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:17 pm to Darth_Vader
Do yourself a favor. When you’re done visiting your boys locked up from the Twin Peaks shooting ask a lawyer to explain it to you
Until then keep believing whatever you want to be true and see how far that gets you
Until then keep believing whatever you want to be true and see how far that gets you
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:20 pm to Darth_Vader
Darth, he is correct. It's not entrapment.
Entrapment definition:
She sought them out. She met them at Waffle House and she handed them the money. I am not sure how you can look at the definition of what entrapment is then look at the steps she took and think this is entrapment.
Entrapment definition:
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An affirmative defense in which a defendant alleges that a law enforcement agent or agent of the state acquired the evidence necessary to commence prosecution of the defendant by inducing the defendant to engage in a criminal act that the defendant would not otherwise have committed
She sought them out. She met them at Waffle House and she handed them the money. I am not sure how you can look at the definition of what entrapment is then look at the steps she took and think this is entrapment.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:20 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:its not
It’s still entrapment
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:24 pm to stout
Thank you
Always entertaining when someone digs in on the wrong side of an argument and continues to double down instead of admitting their error and learning
Always entertaining when someone digs in on the wrong side of an argument and continues to double down instead of admitting their error and learning
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:29 pm to stout
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She sought them out. She met them at Waffle House and she handed them the money. I am not sure how you can look at the definition of what entrapment is then look at the steps she took and think this is entrapment.
I’m not disagreeing with the definition.
I have a problem with she still paid? Federal agents posing.
She didn’t find a hitman. They created the person for her to find.
Just like they’ve done in a lot of other situations.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:30 pm to Finch
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Do yourself a favor. When you’re done visiting your boys locked up from the Twin Peaks shooting ask a lawyer to explain it to you
I see you got your feelings hurt. Pussy.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:34 pm to dgnx6
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They created the person for her to find.
No, they didn't. Site was setup as a joke, but when tards were insist on falling for it the owners started forwarding info law enforcement. Dumb people fell for an obvious ruse and are extremely willing to commit an overt act in the furthering a conspiracy to commit murder. It's hunting over bait, but absolutely not entrapment in any way, shape, or form.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:36 pm to MoarKilometers
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No, they didn't. Site was setup as a joke, but when tards were insist on falling for it the owners started forwarding info law enforcement. Dumb people fell for an obvious ruse and are extremely willing to commit an overt act in the furthering a conspiracy to commit murder. It's hunting over bait, but absolutely not entrapment in any way, shape, or form.
Okay.
Did she pay a hit man or a federal agent?
Pretty simple question.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:37 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Entrapment is where you're put into a situation where you don't have a way out of committing a crime.
This is someone seeking to commit a crime of their own volition with no coercion from police.
Entrapment is a little more expansive than this, but your end conclusion is still correct.
Entrapment occurs when law enforcement agents induce someone to commit a crime who would not have committed the crime absent the inducement. An example of this would be if a law enforcement agent went undercover to his local mosque and started recruiting disaffected young men to commit an act of religious terrorism. If those young men were only motivated to act because they were invited to by the agent, and the agent was involved in setting up the act, then they've been entrapped.
Merely providing the means to commit a crime to someone who was already looking to commit that crime is not considered entrapment per se (although depending on how involved "providing the means" is, it could be). So pretending to be a 14-year-old online to bait a pedophile into meeting up somewhere, or posting a fake hitman website for someone already looking for a hitman to try to use, are not entrapment, because the thinking is that these people were already going to try to commit the crime.
edit: Basically, what matters for entrapment is whether the government agent created the desire to commit the crime in someone who otherwise didn't have that desire, or whether the agent provided the means to commit the crime to someone who otherwise couldn't have committed it. (And even then that second one may not always be entrapment.)
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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You mean like naming their website “rentahitman.com”, having a fake HIPPA notice for the "Hitman Information Privacy & Protection Act of 1964.", and a “Serivce request” button?
I’m pretty sure the fake “HIPPA” notice was intended as satire (and IIRC the entire website was originally meant to be satirical, but the owner was surprised to get actual hit requests from people so he forwarded them to law enforcement).
If anything I’d think this would be further from entrapment than a typical sting operation, because there’s no real targeting involved. It’s completely passive until some idiot actually finds the website and tries to request a hit, something they have to go out of their way to do. I’m not sure if this is the same case I read about previously (involving the same website) but I seem to remember that the agents asked the suspect multiple times whether they were sure they wanted to go through with it as there’s no turning back etc.
That being said, I can’t help but wonder whether someone stupid enough to try to hire a killer from rentahitman.com in the first place could possibly pull off a hit otherwise. I don’t think it can reasonably be viewed as entrapment, but it does feel a bit like capturing would-be criminals who are too stupid to actually be a danger to society.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:42 pm to dgnx6
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Okay. Did she pay a hit man or a federal agent? Pretty simple question.
In this case or every single prostitution or drug sting?
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:43 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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Entrapment is a little more expansive than this, but your end conclusion is still correct.
I know. I wasn't going to try to go further in an argument where one person is so clearly wrong.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:44 pm to Walt OReilly
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Thank you for explaining it to us you stupid frick
How do you make a ham sandwich? Explain that
You have been particularly angry since you transitioned back from being a woman for almost 4 years. You should have your endocrinologist run some hormone labs.
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