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re: The Dutch have a prison problem, too many empty cells
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:06 am to AUbagman
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:06 am to AUbagman
Y'all are stupid, crime has dropped, the variable y'all are talking about hasn't changed, so it cannot be responsible for the drop. Anything to blame the ills of the world on certain segments of society rather than accepting that "tough on crime" policies that sound good to you are actually counterproductive
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:08 am to Cocotheape
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Since that probably hasn't changed in the past 20 years along with their drop in crime, no.
The point I was making is that even rehabilitation programs over the will work with greater success given the structure of the country.
That 25 year old Dutch kid who has been arrested a few times for minor crimes and drug possessions has a HS education, a family with some means to support him getting back on his feet, and a culture that demands a strong work-ethic.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:13 am to Saskwatch
Here's my explanation about why our prison systems suck in the US:
We take individuals who have demonstrated an inability to be responsible citizens and make productive decisions, lock them up in a facility where they get to make almost no decisions, and then somehow expect that they will make better decisions and be more responsible when they are released. It's insanity, really.
We take individuals who have demonstrated an inability to be responsible citizens and make productive decisions, lock them up in a facility where they get to make almost no decisions, and then somehow expect that they will make better decisions and be more responsible when they are released. It's insanity, really.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:01 pm to Cocotheape
quote:So why are our prisons full to the point that they are having to let people out that were found guilty of lesser problems to make room for the really bad offenders?
Y'all are stupid, crime has dropped, ..
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:04 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:Perhaps they should start locking up some of the sorryassed muslims that their c word leader welcomed into their country.
the Netherlands has such a surplus of unused cells
Dumbass caucasian SJWs.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:24 pm to lsupride87
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I am all for bullshite drug arrests to stop though
until someone sells some coke to your kid
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:42 pm to Ed Osteen
Fun fact: they also invented the oven
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:45 pm to Ed Osteen
Maybe the Dutch should start locking up the radical Muslim population that is overrunning their society.
Edit: Just saw the same post above. Derp.
Edit: Just saw the same post above. Derp.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:58 pm to SuperSaint
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Fill it full of refugees and turn on the gas.
Holy fricking shite that's messed up.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 1:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
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NYNolaguy1
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/10/17 at 1:14 pm to Ed Osteen
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lock up nonviolent drug offenders
I know this is a "subtle" legalize marijuana rant, but how come almost all criminals have marijuana and paraphernalia on them at the time of arrest. You can read the crime briefs in the news and see for yourself. Pretty much proof that weed makes some people more dangerous imo
Posted on 2/10/17 at 1:14 pm to Honky Lips
quote:Umm, no. In my country, that wouldn't be against the law....
until someone sells some coke to your kid
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/10/17 at 1:24 pm to Cocotheape
quote:
Y'all are stupid, crime has dropped, the variable y'all are talking about hasn't changed, so it cannot be responsible for the drop. Anything to blame the ills of the world on certain segments of society rather than accepting that "tough on crime" policies that sound good to you are actually counterproductive
There are a lot of assumptions in your dim-witted post. Instead of assuming things, how about asking?
LINK
Would I be open to treatment for non-violent drug offenders opposed to prison? Sure. But in terms of criminality of the population, the U.S. cannot be compared to the Netherlands. There is no justice program that is going to change culture. That must be accomplished within communities.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 1:25 pm to Ed Osteen
The way to fix America's prison problem is simple, it will also help race relations. All you have to do are a few simple things:
Since we are the United States of America, take away state and local laws. All laws should come from the U.S. government and should be executed at the state and local level by officials. Set strict punishments for crimes with no grey area so that they can't be misinterpreted willfully or otherwise. That way if the same crime is committed in one state it garners the same exact punishment in another. This will deter citizens from being reckless and making careless decisions. It creates more accountability from all.
By doing that you can then make punishments for violent crimes even stricter. Start dropping 50 year minimums for armed robberies and just see how fast they drop. Committed a cold blooded murder? "Sir/Ma'am would you like to die by firing squad or rope? Your choice." I know there are finer details to murder like crimes of passion, but you can really break down the fundamental elements to make sure we don't execute innocent people. By doing this though we keep hard core criminals off the streets for longer or even permanently. More citizens would come forward to testify against criminals like these if they knew for certain they'd be going away for a long time.
Lastly, legalize marijuana. It has more benefits for health than most prescription drugs. If it is legalized you will see more shops open up selling it. That will destroy the local weed man's business, thus making the neighborhood that much more safe. He may resorts to violent crimes, but part two has that covered. Percentages of the tax revenue from sales would go right back into law enforcement keeping departments strong financially, allowing them to hire more and train better.
It isn't perfect, but if you get the right economist to map it out correctly it can work for the betterment of society as a whole.
Since we are the United States of America, take away state and local laws. All laws should come from the U.S. government and should be executed at the state and local level by officials. Set strict punishments for crimes with no grey area so that they can't be misinterpreted willfully or otherwise. That way if the same crime is committed in one state it garners the same exact punishment in another. This will deter citizens from being reckless and making careless decisions. It creates more accountability from all.
By doing that you can then make punishments for violent crimes even stricter. Start dropping 50 year minimums for armed robberies and just see how fast they drop. Committed a cold blooded murder? "Sir/Ma'am would you like to die by firing squad or rope? Your choice." I know there are finer details to murder like crimes of passion, but you can really break down the fundamental elements to make sure we don't execute innocent people. By doing this though we keep hard core criminals off the streets for longer or even permanently. More citizens would come forward to testify against criminals like these if they knew for certain they'd be going away for a long time.
Lastly, legalize marijuana. It has more benefits for health than most prescription drugs. If it is legalized you will see more shops open up selling it. That will destroy the local weed man's business, thus making the neighborhood that much more safe. He may resorts to violent crimes, but part two has that covered. Percentages of the tax revenue from sales would go right back into law enforcement keeping departments strong financially, allowing them to hire more and train better.
It isn't perfect, but if you get the right economist to map it out correctly it can work for the betterment of society as a whole.
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