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re: The dumbest of the dumb, antivaxxer chronicles three kids getting whooping cough
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:52 am to thetempleowl
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:52 am to thetempleowl
Man. I just won't say a word about this.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:12 am to retired trucker
Vaccines lead to more baby deaths. Fact
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Neil Z. Miller and Dr. Gary Goldman wrote an important vaccine study that was recently published in a peer-reviewed journal. This study found statistically significant correlationsbetween international immunization schedules and infant mortality rates: nations that require the most vaccines for their babies tend to have higher (worse) infant mortality rates. This study also found a biologically plausible explanation for this counter-intuitive correlation: the potential for synergistic toxicity due to over-vaccination and the misclassification of baby deaths as SIDS and other non-vaccine causes.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:21 am to TJGator1215
In 2014 Italy ruled that vaccines caused autism:
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Based on expert medical testimony, the court concluded that the child more likely than not suffered autism and brain damage because of the neurotoxic mercury, aluminum and his particular susceptibility from a genetic mutation. The Court also noted that Infanrix Hexa contained thimerosal, now banned in Italy because of its neurotoxicity, “in concentrations greatly exceeding the maximum recommended levels for infants weighing only a few kilograms.”
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:23 am to Lokistale
Most science is a joke. Guesstimate and assume
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:41 am to thetempleowl
Whooping cough vaccines caused more cases than non vaccinations
just like the flu. hmmmmm
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“The bulk of the cases were in fully vaccinated children between eight and 12 years old,” Witt says. “That was a total surprise.”
As Witt's small study spotted, and larger ones have since confirmed, protection granted by the vaccine, which has been used for the past two decades, is wearing off much faster than public health planners anticipated. Rates of pertussis increased at least threefold between 2011 and 2012 in 21 states. Whereas some of these cases occurred among children who had never been vaccinated, most of the affected children had in fact received vaccines; those inoculations simply failed to safeguard them over the long term.
just like the flu. hmmmmm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:49 am to TJGator1215
Dr. Jayne Donegan’s Story
Having trained as a conventional medical doctor, qualifying from St. Mary’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, in 1983, all of my undergraduate teaching and postgraduate experience in Obstetrics & Gynecology, Family Planning, Child Health, Orthopedics, Emergency Medicine and General Practice led me to be a strong supporter of the Universal Childhood Vaccination Program. Indeed, I used to counsel parents in the 1980s who didn’t want to vaccinate their children against whooping cough – which was regarded as the ‘problematic’ vaccine in those days.
I used to tell them that there were, indeed, adverse reactions, associated with the vaccine – I was not one of those doctors who would gloss over such unpleasant details – but that we doctors were told that the adverse reactions that might occur after the pertussis vaccine were at least ten times less likely than the chance of getting complications from having the disease, and that, essentially, the point of giving their child the vaccine was to prevent them from getting the disease.
I Used To Think Parent’s Who Don’t Vaccinate Were Either Ignorant or Sociopathic
Indeed, I used to think that parents who didn’t want to vaccinate their children were either ignorant, or sociopathic. I believe that view is not uncommon among doctors today. Why did I have this attitude? Well, throughout my medical training I was taught that the people who used to die in their thousands or hundreds of thousands from diseases like diphtheria, whooping cough and measles – diseases for which there are vaccines – stopped dying because of the introduction of vaccines.
At the same time, I was taught that diseases like typhus, cholera, rheumatic and scarlet fever – for which there are no vaccines – stopped killing people because of improvements in social conditions. It would have been a logical progression to have asked myself why, if social conditions improved the health of the population with respect to some diseases, would they not improve their health with regard to them all, but the amount of information that you are required to absorb during medical training is so huge that you just tend to take it as read and not make the connections that might be obvious to someone else.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:57 am to TJGator1215
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The effectiveness of the MMR vaccine in preventing mumps is—according to Dr. William Schaffer, a pro-vaccine researcher at Vanderbilt University—“not so good.” A CDC study of a 2009–2010 mumps outbreak in the northeastern US found that a full 77% of those sickened in 2009 outbreak had been vaccinated.The effectiveness of the mumps vaccine depends heavily on the strain contracted.
According to a 2008 FDA study, the vaccine is “0 to 33%” effective on the Rubini strain. Even so, this study, like other government studies, blamed outbreaks on low vaccination rates instead of on low vaccine effectiveness.
A whistleblower case unsealed in 2012 suggests that Merck, the producer of the MMR vaccine, might have misrepresented the results of research on the vaccine’s efficacyfrom the start.
The case, initiated by a pair of former Merck researchers,claims that Merck manipulated the results of clinical trials in order to keep its exclusive right to manufacture the vaccine. By claiming a fabricated 95% effectiveness rate, Merck allegedly defrauded the US government, causing it to buy 4 million doses of “mislabeled and misbranded” MMRs vaccines. The suit also claims this helped spark two major mumps outbreaks, and that “the ultimate victims here are the millions of children who every year are being injected with a mumps vaccine that is not providing them with an adequate level of protection.”
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:17 am to TJGator1215
I haven't had the flu since I was like 10, and I don't get shots for it. A lot of that shite is stupid because there are many strains of every virus. If you stop one, the other one is just gonna come on strong. Stop that one, and the former will mutate and become resistant to the original vaccine.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:50 am to Paige
quote:Antibiotics can be effective if you treat early enough. After the initial stage, they become ineffective.
But she honestly didn't fail her kids by not taking them to the doctor for treatment because there is zero treatment. Antibiotics, steroids, prescription cough medicine, none of it does anything to cure it or provide any relief
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:00 am to TJGator1215
quote:Is this the same Italy that charged scientists for murder because they did not predict an earthquake?
In 2014 Italy ruled that vaccines caused autism
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:15 am to TJGator1215
Witts study.
What you leave out is the whole cell vaccine was much more effective. Then they switched to the acellular vaccine and later found it gave a shorter term of immunity. However, the symptoms are still milder in the vaccinated children and incidents of death much lower.
What you leave out is the whole cell vaccine was much more effective. Then they switched to the acellular vaccine and later found it gave a shorter term of immunity. However, the symptoms are still milder in the vaccinated children and incidents of death much lower.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:34 am to TJGator1215
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Genetic mutation
Assuming it's MTHFR mutation they're referring to? It seems to be the avenue the anti vax crowd is heading. The rise of autism is concerning but so is the amount of people not vaccinating their kids over pseudo science. I agree with Trump on delaying the vaccinations part, we did with ours about a cycle behind what's recommended.
My biggest issue with both sides on this is absolutes. I think it's possible their is some correlation to vaccines for a small % of kids with a rare genetic mutation or underlying auto immune predisposition, but theyre are people smarter than I researching it everyday. In the meantime you have to play the odds and vaccinate your kids.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:34 am to stniaSxuaeG
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Antibiotics can be effective if you treat early enough. After the initial stage, they become ineffective.
Really. That's interesting.
Pretty sure that's not the case for serious bacterial infections such as meningitis. Well the prolonged thing that is because if you don't catch it early enough... you're dead. There's no riding that shite out.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:53 pm to TJGator1215
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TJGator1215
Just to clarify, everything you quote is garbage. Just because someone wrote it doesn't mean it is correct.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:57 pm to thetempleowl
Also, to all who say we pump these kids full of vaccines, do you know how many antigens cause a respone in all the vaccines combined? I believe it is under 200 in the modern forms of the vaccines.
That is in all the different vaccines combined. You get exposed to under 200 antigens that cause a reaction. That is spread out over the timespan of when these kids gets vaccinated.
Now do you know how many antigens you get exposed to over your lifetime? Some have suggested over a million.
Does that extra less than 200 really seem that much? Every day as a kid you are exposed to new antigens that cause an immune response. All day every day. And when you are young, these are all new antigens.
That extra few does nothing at all.
That is in all the different vaccines combined. You get exposed to under 200 antigens that cause a reaction. That is spread out over the timespan of when these kids gets vaccinated.
Now do you know how many antigens you get exposed to over your lifetime? Some have suggested over a million.
Does that extra less than 200 really seem that much? Every day as a kid you are exposed to new antigens that cause an immune response. All day every day. And when you are young, these are all new antigens.
That extra few does nothing at all.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:00 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:The problem is that the data do not show this.
I think it's possible their is some correlation to vaccines for a small % of kids with a rare genetic mutation or underlying auto immune predisposition, but theyre are people smarter than I researching it everyday.
Like you, I'm hesitant to make an absolute statement, because there is always that ONE outlier; however, one "side" has numerous cross-sectional studies to provide as evidence while the other side has essentially nothing but subjective anecdotes.
In other words, both sides are not equal empirically, and they shouldn't be presented as two equally valid viewpoints.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:17 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Couldn't agree more.
The problem is that the data do not show this. Like you, I'm hesitant to make an absolute statement, because there is also that ONE outlier; however, one "side" has numerous cross-sectional studies to provide as evidence whole the other side has essentially nothing but subjective anecdotes. In other words, both sides are not equal empirically, and they shouldn't be presented as two equally valid viewpoints
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:17 pm to TJGator1215
quote:That's just an incorrect conclusion based on an article that did even imply such a claim.
Whooping cough vaccines caused more cases than non vaccinations
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:38 pm to ItNeverRains
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My biggest issue with both sides on this is absolutes.
I don't think that is correct, the pro-vaccine side never claimed that the vaccines are absolutely 100% safe... No medicine or medical procedure in this world is 100% absolutely safe. That's why all medicines have a list of adverse reactions. There are people in the world that took simple Tylenol or Motrin that either died or suffered catastrophic damage to their bodies.
Thus, when doctors and nurses give vaccinations, we acknowledge that the vaccines are not 100% safe, but the protective benefits provided by the vaccinations astronomically outweigh the risk of adverse reactions.
Also philosophically, are there anything that is absolutely 100 % safe: water? crossing the street? sex? jogging? walking in the rain? taking tylenol/motrin for a headache? drinking coffee?
Yet... we do things that has inherited risks all the time...
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