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re: The Dark Downside Of The Work-From-Home Trend
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:31 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:31 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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theres little to no talent in hattiesburg
I actually have 1k+ acres of family land not far outside of Hattiesburg and would love to build a dream home on it and WFH the rest of my life. I guess you could lump me into “talent” considering my position at a Fortune Top 25.
The bigger problem would be getting stable quality internet out there.
And despite our political differences I agree completely with Kork’s positions in this thread. I live 3 miles from my companies’ campus. If I move 20 miles further from town to put my children in a better school district, only WFH 1-2 days a week, should my salary also take a hit? Where does it stop?
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 9:35 pm
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Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:33 pm to Klark Kent
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I guess you could lump me into “talent” considering my position at a Fortune Top 25.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:34 pm to Klark Kent
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Hattiesburg
Mahogany Bar & Purple parrot cafe GOAT
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:35 pm to Korkstand
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I wouldn't say that salaries are "based on" CoL so much as CoL is factored into the calculus as to whether an employee will take the job.
Two sides of the same coin. Cost of living is a huge factor in determining the salary range a company is willing to pay for a given position. If a company’s office is located in Palo Alto, the cost of living is high, and they need employees to come into the office - they have to pay a salary that is in line with the COL and labor market in that area.
OTOH, if you live in a low COL area, that typically means a less competitive labor market and lower salaries.
It’s all related. And there’s a bit of a chicken-and-egg argument to be made. Is the cost of living high in the Bay Area because that’s where the tech companies are located, or are the tech companies located there because that’s where the talent pool lies? My suspicion is that it’s a little bit of both, but that the former outweighs the latter.
Ultimately, if an employer hired somebody in a high COL area and paid them accordingly because they needed to be close to the office, and that person moves, it’s completely reasonable for the employer to adjust their salary accordingly. The labor market will sort itself out if they get overzealous.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:36 pm to Paul Allen
Can’t say that I’ve ever been there, but honestly I don’t know much about anything in the ‘Sip other than most of my kinfolk is from there or lives there.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:41 pm to lostinbr
I work for a corporation with offices all over the country and our HR is telling people they aren't allowed to move away from their home market right now even if they are work from home. They have to stay in their home market. This creates a lot of issues. A lot of people are asking "What exactly defines home market? Is there a radius that we must stay within?" which HR doesn't answer.
My boss who is a VP in the company just told me and others in my department who are work from home, if you want to move, move, just don't tell anybody and keep it on the down low so HR doesn't catch wind. He himself doesn't give a shite what we do. He even moved himself - he is living at his lake house in Indiana right now which is several hours away from his home market.
One of my own employees moved back home in with her parents/family which is about 2.5 hours away from our office and I didn't care at all. She did this back in April before HR gave any directive. She is still there - even though HR said its not OK. I don't care - do what you have to do.
My boss who is a VP in the company just told me and others in my department who are work from home, if you want to move, move, just don't tell anybody and keep it on the down low so HR doesn't catch wind. He himself doesn't give a shite what we do. He even moved himself - he is living at his lake house in Indiana right now which is several hours away from his home market.
One of my own employees moved back home in with her parents/family which is about 2.5 hours away from our office and I didn't care at all. She did this back in April before HR gave any directive. She is still there - even though HR said its not OK. I don't care - do what you have to do.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:42 pm to Klark Kent
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And despite our political differences I agree completely with Kork’s positions in this thread. I live 3 miles from my companies’ campus. If I move 20 miles further from town to put my children in a better school district, only WFH 1-2 days a week, should my salary also take a hit? Where does it stop?
If you live 23 miles from your company’s office and are willing to go to the office every day if they request you to, then no you shouldn’t take a salary hit. That’s a reasonable commute.
OTOH, if you move somewhere 123 miles from your company’s office and you couldn’t go in 5 days a week if they asked, it’s a different story.
That’s the line, to me - if you move far enough away that you couldn’t perform your job in the exact same capacity as you did when you were hired, you’re effectively changing the terms of your employment.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:45 pm to RICHIE APRILE
One of my co-workers asked about going to Florida house
I was like of course why ask
Of course we talk to HR and they are warning to not make it permanent (duh)
Really worried about NJ property value
I am going to get hammered on taxes
I was like of course why ask
Of course we talk to HR and they are warning to not make it permanent (duh)
Really worried about NJ property value
I am going to get hammered on taxes
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:45 pm to Klark Kent
youre not a software developer
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:48 pm to RICHIE APRILE
IM OLD SCHOOL JANICE
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:54 pm to Muthsera
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She is essentially expected to be tethered to her laptop from 8am-8pm.
Isn’t that how it is everywhere now days?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:56 pm to Klark Kent
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If I move 20 miles further from town to put my children in a better school district, only WFH 1-2 days a week, should my salary also take a hit?
I don’t think this is what they’re talking about
1-2 days a week is not going completely remote
Also 23 miles from the office isn’t at all unreasonable for a commute daily to the office if you had to
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:59 pm to thelawnwranglers
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One of my co-workers asked about going to Florida house
I was like of course why ask
Of course we talk to HR and they are warning to not make it permanent (duh)
A guy I work with was trying to temporarily move to a state with no income tax and asked HR how his taxes would work if he made that move.
Big mistake. They told him he can't move temporarily. 3 months later he moved anyway and just didn't say anything about it except to me and one other person.
Our CEO said yesterday they won't bring us back until there is a "safe" vaccine.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:06 pm to RICHIE APRILE
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They told him he can't move temporarily.
It is amazing decesions being made
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:11 pm to Paul Allen
I'd rather take a pay cut so I could move out of California.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:12 pm to Paul Allen
I seriously doubt they'll press the issue with their really good developers. Probably more of an H-1B flunky / sales engineer thing.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:22 pm to RICHIE APRILE
In the end it will be just like any market. If (say) google doesn’t want to pay “market” rate for a programmer just bc they live in Hattiesburg and not NY, their competition will sniff that out and snatch up the good ones, then google will eventually be forced raise their salaries to match and everything will be back in equilibrium. On top of that, I could see states eventually offering payroll tax breaks for these companies bringing in more high paying remote employees.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:31 pm to td1
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If (say) google doesn’t want to pay “market” rate for a programmer just bc they live in Hattiesburg and not NY, their competition will sniff that out and snatch up the good ones, then google will eventually be forced raise their salaries to match and everything will be back in equilibrium.
This is true, as long as you acknowledge that the “market” rate in Hattiesburg is going to be lower due to the substantial difference in cost of living.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:35 pm to RICHIE APRILE
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A guy I work with was trying to temporarily move to a state with no income tax and asked HR how his taxes would work if he made that move.
This is another implication I think a lot of folks are glazing over. There are tax implications not just for the employee, but also for the employer. This is especially true for companies that are getting tax incentives for maintaining some number of full time jobs in the area. Cost of employment is going to differ as well depending on where you technically “work”.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:37 pm to Paul Allen
The ones I work with are lazy as sh!t while at work. I can't imagine how they would work while at home.
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