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re: The Culture: New Orleans natives say newcomers are profiting off black traditions

Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:56 am to
Posted by RedPop4
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:56 am to
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My Sicilian great-grandfather who was part of a group that was instrumental in the development of jazz, disagrees.
This.
People forget the Original Dukes of Dixieland were the Assunto family; Louie Prima, Sam Butera, and they were late first, early second generation Sicilian jazz musicians. Jazz really is a combination of black and Sicilian musicians, then there was Bix Biederbicke.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:58 am to
For the guy wearing the "Everything you love about New Orleans is because of black people" shirt, he must not have heard about Mardi Gras and its origins.
Posted by Saskwatch
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:58 am to
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ow, I can't dance and I don't go to Jazz Fest (I used to love it, but that's an entirely different conversation and I'm not the only one.) Yet they think they have embraced the culture, and they're all that...kind of funny.


Maybe they are just having fun at Jazz Fest?!

Everywhere you go there are people dancing in very odd ways. It's part of what makes JF fun. People can let loose and have fun and everyone accepts that you can let your freak flag fly if you want.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:01 am to
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It was a national economic power for a long time


as far as what? Oil and Gas?

Because the port and the river traffic is bigger and better than it's ever been
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:06 am to
Everything


New Orleans was what Atlanta is today to the south
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:07 am to
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I live in Kennabruh and I'd rather deal with the mexicans than snowflakes and cultcha. They work their asses off and most are really good people.


This x100

They are just suntanned baws
Posted by nola000
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:11 am to
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Convenient that you don't count slaves.


The Irish ones or the Italian ones?

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That would make NOLA about 3/5 black in that time.


The black ones that owned slaves or the mulatto ones that owned slaves?
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:13 am to
yall really argue about the same thing every 3 months i feel
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:15 am to
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When i think New Orleans architecture I don’t really think of much Italian influence. Or Irish influence. Though I really don’t know what Irish architecture would look like. I’d figure they’d get drunk halfway through and start fighting so nothing ever got built


They built most of the large infrastructure projects with manual labor. When they would inevitably keel over and die, from either exhaustion or liver failure, the foreman would just bury them in the project.

There's a monument to this out on West End/Pontchartrain neutral ground.
Posted by nola000
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:17 am to
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Take Newman out of the equation and there are several affordable private schools in the city that are comparable to other private schools around the state and some are even just as much as day care

There’s also a few very good Charter Schools as an option.


There's always been great schools in New Orleans, even public, it's just that they were always overshadowed by how poor the poor ones are.

Schools like DeLaSalle, McMain, Ben Franklin, Hynes, New Orleans Math and Science, NOCCA, Lusher, even Jean Gordon at one time, were all very good options.

Back in the 90s Ben Franklin was ranked in the top 20 high schools in the nation, year in and year out.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:18 am to


i'm bored but yeah, saying that tourist destination New Orleans is better than at any point in its history is pretty silly.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:22 am to
i get your argument, but i woudnt wanna be the atlanta of the south

the dysfunctional parts of the city are uniquely appealing to me
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:27 am to
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We found our resident rural retard who’s salty about a confederate monument


Well I for one, am salty about the monuments and I'm not rural retard.

I grew up in New Orleans and its history, good and bad, need to be preserved. It's what makes the city special. While every other city was busy demolishing the old to make way for the new, New Orleans held fast to its architecture and traditions. Coupled with a little bit of luck, surrendering early in the Civil War, and you have a citywide walking museum nestled in the swamps of south Louisiana unlike any other place in North America.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 10:28 am
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:31 am to
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We moved away from New Orleans, because although we could afford to live in a nice neighborhood, and pay for private school, it still didn't seem like a great place to raise kids. Though, I do still miss it, and often regret moving away.


It actually is a great place to raise kids if you can keep them out of trouble. Growing up on the streets in New Orleans is what made me and my wife who we are today. Her sisters, who grew up on the Northshore, are boring as hell and have no resolve.
Posted by yaboidarrell
westbank
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:31 am to
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Drive by the area after these cultural events and tell me what you see: more litter and popeyes boxes and daiquiri cups thrown all over the ground with zero regard for their city or those who come behind to clean up after them
Driving down Claiborne Ave after Super Sunday was surreal. You'd have thought hundreds of full garbage trucks exploded. It was absolutely infuriating. The dgaf ghetto culture prevalent in the black "community" is the most toxic element in America.
Posted by GeauxJoeGeaux
Member since Apr 2019
194 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:33 am to
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I know more transplants who care more about the "traditions" than a lot of locals.


pffffftttt


everyone knows part of being #SeauxNeauxla is to be jaded about everything.


Why do you think so many go skiing during Mardi Gras?
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:33 am to
Common courtesy doesn't exist in some communities.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:41 am to
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What are your thoughts on the new establishments and influx of residents into the marigny/bywater area?


I don't know if this is a gotcha or a genuine question but I'll answer it like it's a genuine question.

I don't really have a problem with it. It's both good and bad. I don't really like the attitude of hipsters but it's nice to see somebody taking care of the historic architecture and supporting local businesses that aren't cell phone stores, check cashing places, wig shops and nail salons.

It's also nice to see the momentum they create in bringing about new infrastructure projects like the park on the Riverfront.

I'm a little bit worried about the changes in culture that usually come after these carpetbaggers take hold. It's a function of how many, how quickly. If they come slowly and steadily they assimilate. If they come in big waves they tend to have an affect on the culture.

In the 70s and 80s the gays moved into the marigny and made it beautiful. They were willing to take the risk that the white locals weren't. The ones that got scared and move to St. Bernard and Metairie. It was easy for them because they didn't have families have to worry about. They moved right in with the gutter punks and blacks and saved those beautiful homes and that beautiful neighborhood from becoming the lower 9th Ward. They mostly assimilated with New Orleans culture but they also added to it. And not necessarily in a bad way.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 10:42 am
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 10:51 am to
Thanks for that. I don't know all the specific history, names, dates, Etc but there's the family lore that I lean on.

I have both his Gibson and banjo that he played.





Have been debating whether I should restore the Gibson or not. Not sure if it'll hurt or help the value. Any experts have any thoughts on it?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 11:10 am to
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The Culture: New Orleans natives say newcomers are profiting off black traditions


If you do not want other peoplemaking $$$ off yo culcha. Do a better job of marketing and selling yo cultcha. Of course that would require innovation and hard work and NOLA is not exactly known for innovation and hard work.
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