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re: The Civil War, How Might It Have Been Avoided?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:48 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:48 am to Auburn1968
Picking our own damn cotton.
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:14 am to TheFonz
quote:The South seized dozens of federal pieces of property, most of it through force, long before the Civil War began.quote:Damn yankees leaving us the frick alone?
The Civil War, How Might It Have Been Avoided?
And let's not forget: the Civil War started when South Carolina rebels bombarded federal property for 34 hours.
I believe most folks on this board would classify that activity as FAFO.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:26 am to TheFonz
I'm gonna throw a curve ball in this conversation and say...
Sam Houston not accusing his old lady of cheating on him
The Fat Electrician did a video on him (see below) and when discussing his political days basically said his singular goal was making sure the American experiment with democracy worked b/c the world (and all the monarchies) was watching
He was moving up the political ranks quickly and would've been a favorite to be President 1 day... and he was seeing the strife between the North & South
Until he accused his wife of cheating on him & couldn't prove it... that got him shunned and derailed his political momentum... chances at the Presidency lost
As President it seems like he would've found a workable compromise that could've prevented war b/c he understood both sides & only wanted prove to the world democracy would work
Sam Houston not accusing his old lady of cheating on him
The Fat Electrician did a video on him (see below) and when discussing his political days basically said his singular goal was making sure the American experiment with democracy worked b/c the world (and all the monarchies) was watching
He was moving up the political ranks quickly and would've been a favorite to be President 1 day... and he was seeing the strife between the North & South
Until he accused his wife of cheating on him & couldn't prove it... that got him shunned and derailed his political momentum... chances at the Presidency lost
As President it seems like he would've found a workable compromise that could've prevented war b/c he understood both sides & only wanted prove to the world democracy would work
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:54 am to Salviati
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Charles Dickens, who had spent much time in the U.S. a few years before the war, told readers of his monthly magazine in 1862: “The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states.”
Another British observer, John Stuart Mill, hoped the war would be against slavery and was disappointed. “The North, it seems,” Mill wrote, “have no more objections to slavery than the South have.”
Why the war wasnt about slavery by Clyde Wilson
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:35 pm to Auburn1968
Should have picked our own cotton
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:37 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Precisely, the South was more dependent on the North than they cared to admit. Pennsylvania had coal. The Great Lakes region had iron ore. There were more factories in PA and NY than in the entire South. Also key foodstuffs in Indiana, Ohio, Illinois and other Northern states that the South had indirectly and directly relied on.
You look at it on paper, it was overwhelming and should have been prohibitive at the time. The North was overwhelmingly self sufficient and was poised to be an economic and manufacturing powerhouse
You look at it on paper, it was overwhelming and should have been prohibitive at the time. The North was overwhelmingly self sufficient and was poised to be an economic and manufacturing powerhouse
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:47 pm to rt3
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He was moving up the political ranks quickly and would've been a favorite to be President 1 day... and he was seeing the strife between the North & South
Perhaps a personality like Sam Houston could have done what Lincoln could not.
Lincoln exchanged letters with Karl Marx and said he found his ideas interesting.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:04 pm to TheFonz
Would the South have left the North alone. Fugitive Slave Act allowed Southern Planters free range in the North . Their agents could literally kidnap citizens and no due process considerations were given.
Would Missouri have been penalized for the actions of their citizens prior to the troubles in Kansas where Missouri citizens were "imported" into Kansas for a day to disrupt voting, because that happened. Southern sympathizers would come in by the wagonload to skew voting outcomes.
Kansas more than anything signaled that the question of slavery would not necessarily be solved without violent incident. Slave states were destined to be outnumbered and the institution declared illegal in those states and the Southern Planter class absolutely hated it and were threatened by the inevitable prospect of being outnumbered.. It came to a point where the slave states saw that not even the 3/5 rule was going to save them nor any previous compromise legislatively.
Would Missouri have been penalized for the actions of their citizens prior to the troubles in Kansas where Missouri citizens were "imported" into Kansas for a day to disrupt voting, because that happened. Southern sympathizers would come in by the wagonload to skew voting outcomes.
Kansas more than anything signaled that the question of slavery would not necessarily be solved without violent incident. Slave states were destined to be outnumbered and the institution declared illegal in those states and the Southern Planter class absolutely hated it and were threatened by the inevitable prospect of being outnumbered.. It came to a point where the slave states saw that not even the 3/5 rule was going to save them nor any previous compromise legislatively.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:42 pm to ThatTahoeOverThere
quote:Clyde Wilson is a paid Lost Cause apologist.
Why the war wasnt about slavery by Clyde Wilson
The war was started by the South. The Southern states seized dozens of federal pieces of property, most of it through force, long before the Civil War began.
And let's not forget: the Civil War started when South Carolina rebels bombarded federal property for 34 hours.
I believe most folks on this board would classify that activity as FAFO.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:04 pm to Auburn1968
Are you talking about our previous Civil War or the inevitable Civil War that is coming to this country?
It could have been avoided if liberals didn’t force vaccines on the entire country, if the BLM grift never got started, if democrats wouldn’t view children as play toys that need “gender-affirming” surgery, if democrats would actually lock up criminals instead of letting them out if they’re black, and if democrats wouldn’t have i imported 20 million illegals to vote for them and steal our resources. They could also not constantly assault ICE officers trying to do their jobs.
There are about 90+ other reasons, but those are some of the highlights on why this next Civil War will happen.
We are considerably more divided now as a nation than we were prior to the last Civil War. People back still actually believed in justice, they could all tell you what a woman is, they shunned the lazy, there was no giant welfare state, and people were actually educated humans.
It could have been avoided if liberals didn’t force vaccines on the entire country, if the BLM grift never got started, if democrats wouldn’t view children as play toys that need “gender-affirming” surgery, if democrats would actually lock up criminals instead of letting them out if they’re black, and if democrats wouldn’t have i imported 20 million illegals to vote for them and steal our resources. They could also not constantly assault ICE officers trying to do their jobs.
There are about 90+ other reasons, but those are some of the highlights on why this next Civil War will happen.
We are considerably more divided now as a nation than we were prior to the last Civil War. People back still actually believed in justice, they could all tell you what a woman is, they shunned the lazy, there was no giant welfare state, and people were actually educated humans.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:23 pm to dnm3305
pop fricking corn
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:41 pm to dnm3305
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We are considerably more divided now as a nation than we were prior to the last Civil War
Ehh I haven't seen a Senator beaten on the floor with a cane over an anti-slavery speech yet, so you may be reaching a little
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:55 pm to dnm3305
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We are considerably more divided now as a nation than we were prior to the last Civil War.
You’re arguing with people bc of what you see on a tv channel, which is slightly different than arguing/fighting with people over wanting to enslave other people lmfao
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:59 pm to Auburn1968
The south should have abolished slavery before the war as slavery was already on the way. It was stupid to fight a war over something that was on its last legs.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 9:06 pm to dnm3305
quote:There will not be a Civil War in your lifetime.
Are you talking about our previous Civil War or the inevitable Civil War that is coming to this country?
It could have been avoided if liberals didn’t force vaccines on the entire country, if the BLM grift never got started, if democrats wouldn’t view children as play toys that need “gender-affirming” surgery, if democrats would actually lock up criminals instead of letting them out if they’re black, and if democrats wouldn’t have i imported 20 million illegals to vote for them and steal our resources. They could also not constantly assault ICE officers trying to do their jobs.
There are about 90+ other reasons, but those are some of the highlights on why this next Civil War will happen.
We are considerably more divided now as a nation than we were prior to the last Civil War. People back still actually believed in justice, they could all tell you what a woman is, they shunned the lazy, there was no giant welfare state, and people were actually educated humans.
It's not going to happen.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 9:17 pm to Auburn1968
How might it have been avoided? I don’t know but always enjoy following these threads. Actually entertaining and educational.
I just always wonder why things couldn’t have been better negotiated and deals made to avoid war.
I just always wonder why things couldn’t have been better negotiated and deals made to avoid war.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 9:25 pm to dnm3305
Sooooo your wife left you for an illegal black Hispanic dude who turned out to be a professional criminal.
......rather than stay with........you?
......rather than stay with........you?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 9:50 pm to Salviati
It's hard to negotiate when one side wants things entirely their own way even as they were losing overall political influence . South turned down lots of compromises offered by the North. Lincoln originally said he would not interfere with slavery where it existed. The Confederates knew that by accepting that, they were slitting their own throats. They needed to expand out, but they wanted to take their slaves with them regardless of what the locals wanted. By 1859, southern power in Congress had been largely neutered with Oregon being admitted and Kansas coming in as a free state right after the 1860 election. That put 20 states firmly in the Union camp and just about all of them either prohibited slavery or severely placed restrictions. The South has at best maybe13 states if you factor in border states.
The math did not work any way for the Southern Planters. 20-13 in favor of the Union. More states 3× as many men to chose from. Better transportation, more factories more diverse resources.
The math did not work any way for the Southern Planters. 20-13 in favor of the Union. More states 3× as many men to chose from. Better transportation, more factories more diverse resources.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 1:42 am to Salviati
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Clyde Wilson is a paid Lost Cause apologist.
That right there tells me all I need to know. It’s the equivalent of someone trying to use racist or antisemite to discredit someone.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 2:36 am to KiwiHead
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The South could have industrialized….
Meh, the South was agrarian because of its location, not because they simply chose to be.
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