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The British Museum Says It Will Never Return the Elgin Marbles
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:59 am
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:59 am
Defending Their Removal as a ‘Creative Act’
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British Museum director Hartwig Fischer is facing international backlash after defending an English nobleman’s removal of sculptures from the Parthenon in the early 1800s as a “creative act,” and reiterated that the museum’s trustees would not support repatriating them to Athens.
In a recent interview with the Greek daily newspaper Ta Nea, Fischer said that when museums offer a new context to engage with cultural heritage they are being creative. “When you move cultural heritage into a museum, you move it out of context. Yet that displacement is also a creative act,” Fischer said.
The museum director’s comments have already sparked rebuke. “The imperialist patronage of the British Museum has no limits,” George Vardas, secretary of the international association for the reunifications of the Parthenon sculptures, told the Greek paper. Vardas said that Fischer’s comments came from a place of “amazing historical revisionism and arrogance.”
“What is the creative cause of the destruction of the temple and the plundering of the keys of the ancient history of a nation?” he asked.
I think it’s wrong and I get the Greek arguement, but they’ve been in the British Museum long enough that I’d argue it’s now ingrained in the history of the museum as well. Hell, moreso than the history of any Greek alive today.
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British Museum director Hartwig Fischer is facing international backlash after defending an English nobleman’s removal of sculptures from the Parthenon in the early 1800s as a “creative act,” and reiterated that the museum’s trustees would not support repatriating them to Athens.
In a recent interview with the Greek daily newspaper Ta Nea, Fischer said that when museums offer a new context to engage with cultural heritage they are being creative. “When you move cultural heritage into a museum, you move it out of context. Yet that displacement is also a creative act,” Fischer said.
The museum director’s comments have already sparked rebuke. “The imperialist patronage of the British Museum has no limits,” George Vardas, secretary of the international association for the reunifications of the Parthenon sculptures, told the Greek paper. Vardas said that Fischer’s comments came from a place of “amazing historical revisionism and arrogance.”
“What is the creative cause of the destruction of the temple and the plundering of the keys of the ancient history of a nation?” he asked.
I think it’s wrong and I get the Greek arguement, but they’ve been in the British Museum long enough that I’d argue it’s now ingrained in the history of the museum as well. Hell, moreso than the history of any Greek alive today.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:05 am to DavidTheGnome
The British Museum is one of my favorite places on earth but the truth is they plundered far more than that.
For example there are more mummies there than in Cairo.
Their North american section is pretty impressive as well.
Well worth the time for anyone in the neighborhood.
For example there are more mummies there than in Cairo.
Their North american section is pretty impressive as well.
Well worth the time for anyone in the neighborhood.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:06 am to DavidTheGnome
I should add too these were lawfully purchased artifacts. They were sold to Elgin so weren’t stolen. And it was during Turkish occupation while the acropolis was used as a munitions storage. They would have been destroyed otherwise.
I understand the desire of Athens for their return, but where does that stop? You’d have to gut every history museum for the return of artifacts to their homeland.
I understand the desire of Athens for their return, but where does that stop? You’d have to gut every history museum for the return of artifacts to their homeland.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:13 am to DavidTheGnome
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The imperialist patronage of the British Museum has no limits,” George Vardas, secretary of the international association for the reunifications of the Parthenon sculptures, told the Greek paper. Vardas said that Fischer’s comments came from a place of “amazing historical revisionism and arrogance.”
Ironic coming from the Greeks.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:13 am to DavidTheGnome
We should remind them of this the next time they bitch about our having Winnie the Pooh 
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:16 am to DavidTheGnome
Decent racks on those marbles
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:16 am to DavidTheGnome
I don't know man, the British Museum has lost its charm.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:17 am to DavidTheGnome
I disagree. They were taken from Greece illegally. They should be returned. The old adage, "Nine tenths of the law is possession," applies to childhood bullies, not civilized nations.
Continued possession by Britain says more about the negatives of their culture than the marbles say about the ancient Greek culture. They don't belong to Britain.
Continued possession by Britain says more about the negatives of their culture than the marbles say about the ancient Greek culture. They don't belong to Britain.
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Although Greeks have been petitioning for the marbles’ return since 1832, and opinion polls have found that the British public is largely in favor of reuniting the sculptures in Athens,
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:19 am to Kentucker
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They were taken from Greece illegally.
That’s debatable. They were purchased not stolen, but the question on whether that purchase was legal is cloudy I suppose.
Edit: not even suppose, it’s cloudy as frick. But it’s not a clear cut plunder though either. And the Turkish sultan was the one who agreed so the Greeks didn’t have a say really. Dunno.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 8:24 am
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:22 am to DavidTheGnome
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I understand the desire of Athens for their return, but where does that stop? You’d have to gut every history museum for the return of artifacts to their homeland.
If the British Museum relents, then it will never stop. Every single ethnic or cultural group will demand any artifact, to which they have any remote claim, be returned to them. Any museum’s refusal will be labeled as racism/oppression and museum curators and directors will lose their jobs. The likes of the Smithsonian and the British Museum will be reduced to empty halls and echoes all in the name of “progress” and “healing”.
Just as with the Confederate flag issue, it didn’t stop with removal of flags, but continued to removal of statues, changing of road names, and I expect in the not-too-distant future even battlefields will be closed off and paved over.
Give a mouse a cookie.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:24 am to Kentucker
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the British public is largely in favor of reuniting the sculptures in Athens,
Well yea they’re cucks. Their much stronger ancestors paid for those marbles, which would have been destroyed in Athens
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:25 am to Upperdecker
They bitch about Winnie the Pooh in the NY Library and he was donated by Christopher Robin 
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:29 am to Kentucker
Last I checked the Turks claimed possession when Greece couldn’t protect itself. They were then the rightful owners and made a legal sale.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:37 am to DavidTheGnome
Are they gonna give London back to the Romans or maybe Athens should be given back to Turkey?
The Basques are the remaining Neolithic ethnic group of Europe. They should lay claim to it all.
The Basques are the remaining Neolithic ethnic group of Europe. They should lay claim to it all.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:40 am to DavidTheGnome
The whole British empire was based on theft, return the damn statues you fing thieves.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:40 am to DavidTheGnome
Woah, woah, woah.
Let’s not lose our heads here.
Let’s not lose our heads here.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:45 am to DavidTheGnome
Can Greece guarantee the safety of the artifacts better than Britain?
That’s really the only thing that concerns me here.
If they can’t, then they need to STFU.
Everyone with a pulse knows the main reason those artifacts were seen and appreciated by so many people was because they were safe in the British Museum and properly cared for.
I’m okay with native regions having their own artifacts, but take one look at the Parthenon and tell me Greece has a great track record at caring for its priceless cultural treasures. Sure, the Turks did that. But Turkey isn’t next door to Britain, now, is it?
That’s really the only thing that concerns me here.
If they can’t, then they need to STFU.
Everyone with a pulse knows the main reason those artifacts were seen and appreciated by so many people was because they were safe in the British Museum and properly cared for.
I’m okay with native regions having their own artifacts, but take one look at the Parthenon and tell me Greece has a great track record at caring for its priceless cultural treasures. Sure, the Turks did that. But Turkey isn’t next door to Britain, now, is it?
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:45 am to cave canem
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The British Museum is one of my favorite places on earth but the truth is they plundered far more than that.
For example there are more mummies there than in Cairo.
To be fair it necessary for 1st world countries to do this to preserve world history. The violence in areas like the Middle East and Africa usually leads to historical items getting destroyed
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:48 am to DavidTheGnome
I swear to god I thought this thread was going to have pics of the kind of marbles kids play with.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:53 am to Bluefin
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Decent racks on those marbles
Widely diverse cultures across eons of time can all agree on one thing (that comes in pairs):
Everybody likes big uns
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