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re: The argument that the US college system is largely a scam
Posted on 10/27/18 at 12:56 am to fallguy_1978
Posted on 10/27/18 at 12:56 am to fallguy_1978
I see. You want the easy way through life.
College curriculum has been this way for a long time. Dont like it, get an associates.
Part of what makes the degree valuable is that everyone knows you have to finish stuff you don’t like.
This is a simple concept.
I’m sorry you got nothing out of your elective courses. That says more about you than it does the courses.
You sound just like the engineers I know that can’t write a simple email let alone proposal. The guys that are the rainmakers somehow picked up non eginerring skills that allow them to make more money.
College curriculum has been this way for a long time. Dont like it, get an associates.
Part of what makes the degree valuable is that everyone knows you have to finish stuff you don’t like.
This is a simple concept.
I’m sorry you got nothing out of your elective courses. That says more about you than it does the courses.
You sound just like the engineers I know that can’t write a simple email let alone proposal. The guys that are the rainmakers somehow picked up non eginerring skills that allow them to make more money.
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Posted on 10/27/18 at 6:47 am to fallguy_1978
As said, the purpose of electives and college is not simply to train you for a job. The purpose is to give you a well rounded education and to help you think for yourself.
The problem is high schools and parents tell kids to go to school to get a better job, kids go to school thinking school is going to get them a better job.
We need to separate the 2. You go to school to get an education. Getting a job is not mutually inclusive of that.
The problem is high schools and parents tell kids to go to school to get a better job, kids go to school thinking school is going to get them a better job.
We need to separate the 2. You go to school to get an education. Getting a job is not mutually inclusive of that.
This post was edited on 10/27/18 at 6:48 am
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:06 am to LSUfan0420
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I had to leave work every day and travel to university of Houston main campus to take this shite for a 4 to 515 class then drive 2.5 hours during peek traffic time home to Katy tx all because some liberal douche thought this was important for my education.
Sounds awful. Tell us that you at least worked that situation for a little college girlfriend on the side.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:18 am to TBoy
My wife is going back to school for coding. The first class she has to take for her degree is something like Proficiency in Excel. She is a whiz in Excel and thought it would be easy.
She has found out that the majority of her grade is in how she participates in an online forum. There are also the infamous Group Projects. Everybody knows how this works out. You always have the slugs in your group that don't do anything. Can the Group Project thing die already?
She just got her textbook. It is a $120 magazine. A fricking magazine, about the size of a Field and Stream.
I don't even want to get started on my daughter at UF in ChemE.
She has found out that the majority of her grade is in how she participates in an online forum. There are also the infamous Group Projects. Everybody knows how this works out. You always have the slugs in your group that don't do anything. Can the Group Project thing die already?
She just got her textbook. It is a $120 magazine. A fricking magazine, about the size of a Field and Stream.
I don't even want to get started on my daughter at UF in ChemE.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:21 am to FightnBobLafollette
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Everyone whining about non relevant courses misses the point. Life is gonna have stuff that sucks that you have to slog through. That you can do this means something. Perseverance.
They have weed out classes that are relevant. You don’t need pointless electives for that. Hell where I went you could take the pointless shite pass/fail and the classes were stupid easy compared to engineering. I barely showed up and got a pass and then I didn’t even have to worry about it impacting my gpa and I graduated with honors.
This post was edited on 10/27/18 at 7:23 am
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:25 am to Hangit
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There are also the infamous Group Projects. Everybody knows how this works out. You always have the slugs in your group that don't do anything. Can the Group Project thing die already?
This is probably one of the things that will actually help you prepare for after college. Ha ha
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:28 am to Dam Guide
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This is probably one of the things that will actually help you prepare for after college.
My first thought is that after college, you do your share, or job, or get fired.
That's not really true anymore anyway, is it?
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:34 am to weagle99
It’s way over priced. Shouldn’t cost that much.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 7:50 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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The main reason college costs have skyrocketed is because demand is high due to Pel Grants and guaranteed student loans
Not even close.
Federal Grant aid makes up a smaller portion of student aid than it did 20 years ago. That federal aid $$ has stayed the same, while costs have continued to rise.
For public universities, a main driver in rising cost is state funding has been drastically reduced. Tuition has increased to fill the gap
Some other factors in rising costs- race to fill seats leads to more, usually unsustainable institutional aid, cost disease (good teaching is still the same as it was 2000 years ago- no one really knows how to increase productivity of teaching/learning on mass scale), people will pay for it, particularly at the more "elite" schools.
The scam isn't getting a degree. Lifetime earnings are higher with a college degree. The scam is thinking you have to attend the "best" school. Rankings for undergrad are largely bullshite.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 8:56 am to Hangit
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My first thought is that after college, you do your share, or job, or get fired. That's not really true anymore anyway, is it?
You’ve always had the delegaters. Good at pushing their work on someone else.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 8:59 am to SwatMitchell
And loans should be carried/held by the university instead of the government. Prices would drop real fast if the school became the guarantor.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 9:03 am to GoIrish02
Let me ask, who is paying the most of a student's tuition?
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