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The Amazon announcement is sparking a lot of interest for commercial space around cortana

Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:54 pm
Posted by goofball
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:54 pm
Baton Rouge Business Report

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In a city with few economic development wins, the redevelopment of the former Cortana Mall site into a massive Amazon fulfillment center represents a significant victory for Baton Rouge.

For starters, there’s the size and scale of the project—a 3.5 million-square-foot facility that will cost some $300 million to develop, process some 500,000 packages a day for the e-retail giant, and employ more than 3,000 mostly full-time workers, not including thousands of drivers, who will work for the company on a contract basis, and part-time seasonal workers.

There are the infrastructure improvements that will come to the area as a result of the redevelopment—upgrades to roads and drainage, signal lights and CATS bus routes. Eventually, even the airport could benefit from the project, if Amazon’s expansion in the area continues and it begins flying Amazon Air to and from Baton Rouge.



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To literally pave the way for the facility, the city-parish will have to make upgrades to some of the streets around the site. Perhaps surprisingly, though, city-parish officials are confident needed traffic mitigation measures will be relatively minimal because Cortana Mall was designed in the mid-1970s to handle at least as much volume as Amazon’s big rigs and delivery vans will generate.

“On the front end, what we have is adequate,” says Fred Raiford, director of transportation and drainage for the city-parish. “But we’re still waiting on a traffic analysis from their people. We’re not sure who will pay for whatever they want.”

Raiford doesn’t expect the changes to be extensive, particularly because the MovEBR program also calls for various upgrades to parts of Airline and Florida. Some of those changes are already underway; others are slated to begin later this year.

“Do we actually need to do any more from infrastructure at this point? I don’t know,” he says. “We will have to look at the numbers. We may need to make some changes to facilitate turning movement so trucks don’t break up half the curb. But we don’t know that until we actually get the report.”



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Among the biggest beneficiaries of the Amazon deal will be the property owners and retailers immediately adjacent to the site. In the months since the project has come together, interest in surrounding real estate has spiked, according to commercial brokers.

Elifin Realty represents the out-of-state investor who owns nine parcels totaling more than 21 acres on the outer ring road surrounding the site and who has already received several offers on some of the parcels.

The properties are listing for an average of nearly $247,000 per acre, with some listing for as much as $392,000 per acre, or $9 per square foot, which is high for undeveloped land. But in real estate, location is everything and the Cortana ring road is suddenly a hot location.

“That’s a very healthy price for undeveloped land in that area,” says appraiser Wesley Moore of Cook, Moore, Davenport & Associates, who recently completed an appraisal on another vacant tract near the site, though he is not at liberty to discuss it. “It was the first of what I expect to be many. You’re going to see speculation prompted and triggered by this Amazon deal.”

So far, interest is coming from multiple sectors. Elifin broker Will Chadwick has fielded interested calls from service providers, restaurants, car washes and retailers—basically, businesses that will cater to Amazon’s round-the-clock employees.



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Moore predicts the interest will spill over to the nearby Choctaw industrial corridor.

“This will be a shot in the arm for the immediate area,” he says. “In the short term, there will be speculation. In the long term, you will see redevelopment, at least to some degree. You will also see absorption of existing supply of older warehouse and industrial space.”




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A 2018 report by the nonpartisan Economic Policy Institute found that while Amazon fulfillment centers create 30% more warehousing jobs in markets they enter, those job gains are often offset by job losses in other industries. What’s more, overall private sector employment does not materially increase in counties with Amazon fulfillment centers.

More recently, a book published last month by Alec MacGillis, Fulfillment: Winning and Losing in One-Click America, blasts the company for “egregious labor practices,” ruthless politics and exploitation of needy communities and their people.

“An Amazon fulfillment center is better than a shuttered mall,” says Zach Schiller with Policy Matters Ohio, a left-leaning policy institute that has studied the effect of Amazon on that state’s economy. “But it is by no means what we truly need. … While $15 an hour may seem good to people working at McDonald’s, for this to become the wage that we’re striving for is really problematic. It sets the bar so low.”



It's a very lengthy article, so I won't post the whole thing here. The whole thing is at the link provided.

They detail out some of the types of businesses that are trying to surround Amazon, including other distribution facilities. It seems to have a multiplier effect on those types of jobs.

They also not that the facility at Cortana will employ about 3,000 people...not counting delivery drivers or any ancillary or supporting businesses that open up nearby. It's a transformational project for a city with relatively a high unemployment rate. The jobs will start out at $15 an hour plus benefits. It goes up from there, which is very competitive for Baton Rouge.





Cortana Mall before closure. It's being demolished right now.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted by TomballTiger
Htown
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:56 pm to
Great post. Hopefully this will be a game changer for BR
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:57 pm to
We knew that would happen. Other distro centers. Eating places, other needed services...
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:00 pm to
BR city council will frick it up
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:03 pm to
Wait so business investment begets more investment? Someone should tell JBE and Teedy this news as they apparently don’t understand.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:03 pm to
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We knew that would happen. Other distro centers. Eating places, other needed services...



Some of the open ones around there might have to end up going to 24 hours (McDonalds on Florida, for instance).
Posted by In The Know
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:04 pm to
Fantastic news for a depressed area
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:04 pm to
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“An Amazon fulfillment center is better than a shuttered mall,” says Zach Schiller with Policy Matters Ohio, a left-leaning policy institute that has studied the effect of Amazon on that state’s economy. “But it is by no means what we truly need. … While $15 an hour may seem good to people working at McDonald’s, for this to become the wage that we’re striving for is really problematic. It sets the bar so low.”


Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:05 pm to
Oh FFS this left leaning Ohio a-hole can EABD
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:09 pm to
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It's a very lengthy article, so I won't post the whole thing here. The whole thing is at the link provided.



It's behind a paywall. Did you post the majority of the article?

With that said, what I'm really hoping for that comes from Amazon at Cortana is expansion and upgrades for BTR airport. It's long past time for the state capital of Louisiana to have an airport that can if necessary, accommodate a commercial 777, 747 and maybe even an A380.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Someone should tell JBE and Teedy this news as they apparently don’t understand.



Amazon is expanding in Louisiana at the rate they are right now because they can afford the rates our ridiculous tax code, insurance regime and legal climate forces onto families and businesses. Hell, they even came out for increased corporate tax rates a couple days ago because they can afford it and know it will crush their competition.

Our tax code and legal climate still need to be fixed before we can talk about businesses that don't have Amazon money and resources growing and expanding here.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:14 pm to
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“An Amazon fulfillment center is better than a shuttered mall,” says Zach Schiller with Policy Matters Ohio, a left-leaning policy institute that has studied the effect of Amazon on that state’s economy. “But it is by no means what we truly need. … While $15 an hour may seem good to people working at McDonald’s, for this to become the wage that we’re striving for is really problematic. It sets the bar so low.”


I didn't think Cleveland had elitist pricks like this.

$15 an hour is a perfectly respectable starting wage for work like this. The work is intense and the hours are long - just like every other meaningful job out there. Amazon offers competitive pay and good benefits. In fact, $15 an hour starting is VERY competitive for unskilled labor in the Baton Rouge market. Wages go up with experience at Amazon, just like most jobs that journalists don't see to respect.

Why can't progressives understand that? Oh - they do.....they are just trying to create a rift between labor and management everywhere it politically suits them.

And Kudos to Baton Rouge, Amazon, and Louisiana. It's much easier to redevelop a downtown area than an abandoned shopping mall. There isn't a better realistic outcome for the Cortana property in 2021 than having a 3,000,000 square foot fulfillment center opening up on the grounds and employing thousands of people.
Posted by dewster
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:19 pm to
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It's long past time for the state capital of Louisiana to have an airport that can if necessary, accommodate a commercial 777, 747 and maybe even an A380.



Amazon is only flying 2-3 planes a day into MSY now; and they are 737 Cargo Jets. BTR can easily accommodate that. But they do need to expand if they want larger cargo jets than that. Cargo jets can get much heavier than their equally sized passenger jets, so they have the potentially of consuming more runway during takeoff.

FYI they don't make a cargo variant of the A380. There might have been some conversions, but Airbus was too short sighted to offer a cargo variant from the get go. Probably why the 747 Max is still being made while the A380 has been canceled.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:22 pm to
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And Kudos to Baton Rouge, Amazon, and Louisiana. It's much easier to redevelop a downtown area than an abandoned shopping mall. There isn't a better realistic outcome for the Cortana property in 2021 than having a 3,000,000 square foot fulfillment center opening up on the grounds and employing thousands of people.



3.5 million square feet is absolutely huge, even by Amazon's standards.

This recent article about Amazon and dead malls states that other malls bought by Amazon in Tennessee and Massachusetts are no more than 230,000 square feet. It puts Cortana into a league of its own which is gigantic.

LINK

It's still stunning how big the Cortana facility is going to be.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16864 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:25 pm to
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With that said, what I'm really hoping for that comes from Amazon at Cortana is expansion and upgrades for BTR airport.


They'd bee foolish not to at least upgrade to a 9,000 foot runway with these logistics companies moving in.

This is not going to do anything for passenger service, but they were already working with American Airlines to get service to DC before the pandemic. And I think United to O'Hare; but that's delayed by the construction of new gates at that airport.
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:26 pm to
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$9 per square foot, which is high for undeveloped land


I don't know land values in BR but this isn't "high". Metry is $60 PSF.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:28 pm to
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Amazon is only flying 2-3 planes a day into MSY now; and they are 737 Cargo Jets. BTR can easily accommodate that. But they do need to expand if they want larger cargo jets than that. Cargo jets can get much heavier than their equally sized passenger jets, so they have the potentially of consuming more runway during takeoff.



I'm not thinking about solely just for cargo operations or just for Amazon but also passenger operations as well. BTR needs a world class runway just for the sake of having it so we're prepared for any situation whatsoever and now is as good a time as any. It's convenient and makes life easier.

A runway that's a jack of all trades, yes please.

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FYI they don't make a cargo variant of the A380. There might have been some conversions, but Airbus was too short sighted to offer a cargo variant from the get go. Probably why the 747 Max is still being made while the A380 has been canceled.



Also, I would say A380 consumes too much fuel to be profitable but then I remember that cargo companies don't fly as much as passenger airlines do so cargo jets are not subjected to as many rotations as they are which offsets fuel costs.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:29 pm
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4081 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:28 pm to
Most large businesses do everything possible to discourage the w2s from leaving campus.

So infinitely valuable commercial space? No thanks. I’ll pass until a real correction comes.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:29 pm to
They need to bring back the ice rink. Have some cool places to cater to the working crowd
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:29 pm to
My question would be “what kinds of settlements do they need to make with surrounding homeowners to do this?”

Last time the airport expanded, my grandparents’ house in the flight path received a bunch of free upgrades to help with soundproofing as compensation for the increased air traffic screeching over their heads.
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