re: The 2016 Physician Compensation Report is out

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We both learn something. I also like to go back after a case and say, "hey, remember this scan, well this is what I found Intra-op". We'll look at the scan again , and both learn from it.

Likewise, it's why I go to pathology and look at slides with them. Can learn a lot.

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^^^ I'm a pathologist. This guy gets it. You will often get a more complete diagnosis when the patient's clinical picture, imaging, and laboratory information are discussed openly. Communication is the key to the best medicine.

Reading this no way single payer will work without death panels

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i'm not saying doctors are going to go extinct, but they're going to be more of a supplement as opposed to the driver

we're talking about decades of exponentially developing technology. think about what technology was like in 1996. that's 20 years

hell, if we get neural networks mapped out with the ability to input into a computer, removing patient subjectivity alone is massive

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man, get the frick out of here with that nonsense.

My banker buddy was telling me he recently set up a home loan for a "hospitalist" from a foreign country. A hospitalist is a Dr. that sees patients and does rounds in hospitals so the patients physicians can continue their more lucrative practice, while the hospitals can pay the foreign doctors at a much lower rate. My buddy said this Dr was getting paid $90,000 according to his loan paperwork, which he said is a fraction of what other Drs he knows are getting paid.

It's not just the low paying jobs that are going to foreigners. I wonder what doctors think of this trend, which I hear is very popular in hospitals since it reduces cost? Will young American doctors lose job opportunities?

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As AI systems and computer vision technologies advance, you'll see such systems gradually take over responsibility for most surgeries.

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Not in our lifetimes, nerd. That shite is a long ways away and I am an engineer that's worked in an R&D facility before.

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Guess what? They have death panels in place.

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Yep.
Actually passed as part of the Stimulus in Feb2009. The Panel is known as the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness

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The salaries will take an irrevocable nosedive in the near future before the position is ultimately diluted into more of a passive overseer of the clinic.

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I agree with you that the pace of technology is proceeding exponentially. AI is closer than most people realize because they think linearly, not exponentially (Kurzweil has written about this extensively).

I will make this point however. Most people, including this board associate heathcare with delivery of services/care rendered by a provider to the patient. It is easy to conclude that AI would do this better than a human. The main limitation to this thinking is that drivers of health and wellness are not service rendered by a provider, but mainly diet, movement, sleep, and stress management self directed by the patient. AI, like human providers, cannot fix that via medical services rendered...

Here is the vicious cycle we live in:

*note: this is describing how poor of a job we maintain health in the US. I would argue we treat disease /solve acute problems better than anyone (which is why people travel here for acute services). That distinction must be appreciated.

Typical person lives a life in total disregard for eating, sleeping and living. They motor along with the hope that the current healthcare model (acute interventions via procedures or chronic medications) will save them from decades of poor habits.

Typical person reaches breaking point and wonders why they have to take medications and why our technologically advanced services cannot "do better". They then overwhelm the medical infrastructure (leading to increasing access problems to provider when the irony is that they should have been looking to themselves to maintain their health) as providers continue to try to fix them within the current model (more meds, procedures). Just look around at that current failed experiment...

Said person tries to compare outcome data from US to other countries (who do a better job than us living as I defined it), and somehow concludes that the difference in these outcomes is due to the access and types of acute medical services delivery system (again neglecting or downplaying the contribution of lifestyle). This sentiment is rampant on this board. Hence, pseudo-academic discussion take place on how these systems have to change missing the whole point as rooting out the true problems becomes politically incovenient on multiple fronts.


It all starts with human to human interaction on practical ways to eat, sleep, and live properly. AI nor current public policy (many of the current policies in place are incomplete, impractical or wrong due to a myriad of issues. I have posted extensively on this using cholesterol as an example) can do that.

By the way, AI may have other options to solve the human healthcare problem (think Skynet...)

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In fact, assuming your personal income assertions accurate, you're earning very nearly as much as the average California MD.

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Exactly, which is absurd given differences in training and responsibility.

Thank you for being part of the problem in healthcare.

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Thank you for being part of the problem in healthcare

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Generally the cost problem you're alluding to is Big Pharma, Medical Manufacturing, and MedicoLegal related.

I will back up Jenn, I have a cousin who works as an RN up north. Her and her coworkers easily clear 200K. Most of them work for Kaiser and they're very well compensated, even new hires.