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re: Texas may become first state to mandate Bible readings in public schools
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:30 pm to DesScorp
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:30 pm to DesScorp
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They wouldn’t have to teach the religious doctrines.
Nor would I expect them to.
The point I was making is that I don't think those teachers on the far left or far right would be able to control their biases when teaching the subject matter.
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Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:35 pm to deltadummy
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Torah is part of the Christian bible.
Is the OT being excised or something?
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Do we also read the Mormon bible? Is it not part of the founding of America? Joseph and his brides?
No; No.
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Jefferson read the Quran to learn about different religions. Why not include it?
Point me to the Quranic influences on the American founding.
The argument you guys want to make isn't this one. This one is stupid. The founding was undeniably Christian.
The argument that makes more sense is that - regardless of intent - the country is no longer Christian and is a blend of Christian, secular and non-Christian faiths, and given our unwillingness to stop that tide, it's a slippery slope whereby this will be used against "us" by "them" down the road.
Which is still a dumb argument - they're going to do that regardless - but it's a better one than pretending other faiths played any meaningful role in America's founding.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:44 pm to lionward2014
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Dante addressed this 900 years ago with the first layer of hell.
*circle
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:51 pm to cgrand
quote:this guy gets it
yes, morality is an evolutionary construct. Our species would not have survived without it. And also yes, it has and will continue to exist with or without organized religion.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:54 pm to McMahonnequin
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It's amazing how many people don't or refuse to realize the slippery slope stupid shite like this creates
Yeah Muslims and secular people and so forth definitely won't make those moves unless we open the door to it via Bible readings
Do you guys hear yourselves? If Plano becomes majority Muslim and controls the school board, do you really think they're going to shy away from variants of this because Christians didn't do it when we had the chance?
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:55 pm to chRxis
quote:It's pretty obvious that's true.
are you saying that morality can ONLY be derived from theology?
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:58 pm to Shexter
Fighting against the required reading list is stupid. 11 different passages, excepts, chapters, etc. of the Bible over 6 years of English class is not going to turn anyone Christian. More likely to try to become a wizard after reading Harry Potter. Might as well take out Beowulf and the Greek Tragedies while we're at it because they center around Pagan religions.
This is a SEPARATE issue than mandatory posters of The 10 Commandments in schools, and should be treated as such.
This is a SEPARATE issue than mandatory posters of The 10 Commandments in schools, and should be treated as such.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:04 pm to StrongOffer
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It's pretty obvious that's true
then what did we do before the Abrahamic religions existed?
look, the whole "killing others is bad, treat others decent" was around way before any religion was formed and decreed any moral authority...
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:05 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Fighting against the required reading list is stupid.
i agree, provided other religious passages and texts are included... for posterity, if not principle...
either include all of them, or none of them... period
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:07 pm to Pettifogger
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The founding was undeniably Christian.
Christian? no... Deist...absolutely...
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:07 pm to Shexter
I’m a Christian I believe that the Bible is divine word of God, but I do not think it should be taught in public schools.
Imagine if the Muslims were in power and they mandated that you had to read the Koran
I understand America is a Christian nation and I’m happy for that but that’s what churches and homes are for not schools. Let’s focus on math and reading in English science.
Imagine if the Muslims were in power and they mandated that you had to read the Koran
I understand America is a Christian nation and I’m happy for that but that’s what churches and homes are for not schools. Let’s focus on math and reading in English science.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:11 pm to chRxis
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Christian? no... Deist...absolutely...
No, Christian. As in, the overwhelming majority of the founders. As in, the most famous "deist" being used for this tired, rote argument being a lifelong Anglican who despite his personal convictions gave to the Anglican Church and sat on Anglican boards and was in all manner unperturbed by the distinctly Christian nature of American public life. As in, multiple founding states requiring Christian attestations for public office until the 1800s. As in, multiple founding states having taxpayer funded Christian churches because the establishment clause was inapplicable.
Christian. Hope that helps.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:15 pm to Pettifogger
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Do you guys hear yourselves? If Plano becomes majority Muslim and controls the school board, do you really think they're going to shy away from variants of this because Christians didn't do it when we had the chance?
It's not about whether they will or won't do it, it's about setting a precedent that allows them that option. We have this thing called a Constitution.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:17 pm to HouseMom
You're as dumb as sally..
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:19 pm to McMahonnequin
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It's not about whether they will or won't do it, it's about setting a precedent that allows them that option. We have this thing called a Constitution.
"It's not about whether they'll do it, it's about the precedent and whether they'll do it"
alright
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:20 pm to Pettifogger
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Do you guys hear yourselves? If Plano becomes majority Muslim and controls the school board, do you really think they're going to shy away from variants of this because Christians didn't do it when we had the chance?
setting a precedence only makes it easier for the other side to swing it in their favor.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:20 pm to Pettifogger
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Point me to the Quranic influences on the American founding.
The argument you guys want to make isn't this one. This one is stupid. The founding was undeniably Christian.
Who cares what the founding was? The list is of influential works, not works that contributed to the founding of the US. If "Medio Pollito/Half Chicken: A Folktale in Spanish and English," "Queen Elizabeth I's Speech to the Troops at Tilbury," and "The Clever Teens' Guide to the Russian Revolution" are all deemed influential, I don't see how the Quran isn't.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:20 pm to TooFyeToFly
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Texas is the Saudi Arabia of America.
YeeHawdists and Ya'llqueda.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:21 pm to Pettifogger
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The founding was undeniably Christian.
Dude, spot on. Except all those words they wrote that said otherwise, you nailed it.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:22 pm to Pettifogger
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No, Christian. As in, the overwhelming majority of the founders. As in, the most famous "deist" being used for this tired, rote argument being a lifelong Anglican who despite his personal convictions gave to the Anglican Church and sat on Anglican boards and was in all manner unperturbed by the distinctly Christian nature of American public life. As in, multiple founding states requiring Christian attestations for public office until the 1800s. As in, multiple founding states having taxpayer funded Christian churches because the establishment clause was inapplicable.
Christian. Hope that helps.
none of this can, with 100% certainty, prove what any of those gentleman truly believed... but ok, if it makes you feel better about the situation, Christian... hope that helps
in the grand scheme of life, i truly don't give a frick what those guys personally believed... but i do know they wanted no government oversight or influence in anyone's personal right to believe whatever they wanted to believe... they wanted that separate, not to be a function of the government, which is what many seem to want (as long as it's their brand of religion) now...
it's overwhelmingly hypocritical to admire the FF and what they did, then be the complete antithesis of one of the primary tenents of what they wanted and established
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