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re: Texas floods
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:23 am to Purplehaze
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:23 am to Purplehaze
To hell with that retarded woman, par for the course though.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:33 am to TT9
Looks like lake travis has risen about 18' over the last 3 days. Glad to see the lakes around there able to handle this excess runoff
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/6/25 at 11:21 am to Armymann50
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Sounds like what they did to us in the 16 flood.
In 16 my brother lived in the subdivision next to me. He called me about 8 and said there was water in the streets. I put on my rubber boats and walked over to his house. Water was standing in the road. 45 mins later I had to stick to the crown of the road to avoid water going into my boots. Went home and water in the ditches. About an hour later it was over the road. We got out, barely, and my house stayed dry. My brothers did not.
That wasn’t even close to what they experienced in Texas nor am I trying to make it. But it was one of the scariest things I’ve been through. The inevitability of it, the speed at which it happened. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Nothing. Watching the video shot from the bridge brought back a lot of not fond memories.
My heart goes out to those camp counselors. Having to try to make decisions when you are facing that with small children. I can’t even fathom. And there’s nothing you can do. The water is coming. And quickly. In the middle of the night.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 12:08 pm to SquatchDawg
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I watched that video a couple of times and it’s unbelievable how within 30 mins the water can be 20+ feet below and swell to almost overtopping the bridge.
And not just the height but also the width. That is a lot of water.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:17 pm to RedHawk
I saw 2 longboards on the debris float by in that video.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:28 pm to elprez00
It happens very fast in that part of the state It's so rocky in a drought, it's even harder and the water soak in at first,, its slides across it ... and fills the low spots,, and this sat and didn't stop
very Harvey like except so quickly
and to think these kids experiencing it ,, some of them without their parents for the first time
very Harvey like except so quickly
and to think these kids experiencing it ,, some of them without their parents for the first time
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:42 pm to OWLFAN86
I don't envy those guys walking the banks searching through the brushpiles.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:44 pm to Jim Rockford
Some of the photos that are popping across my Facebook feed of age-appropriate clothing dropped on tree limbs
Perhaps use an identification
These people the first responders the searchers I can't imagine I wouldn't be strong enough
Perhaps use an identification
These people the first responders the searchers I can't imagine I wouldn't be strong enough
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:47 pm to elprez00
Weirdly, I was staying at my parents’ house in Central on a canal that night. I NEVER stay at their house.
That night during the rain, I had such a bad feeling and went to the back and got the dog (my parents live on a lot of land and had an outside dog). I stayed the night with him in the room with me. Next morning, we watched the water rise and rise. My dad was trying to not let me leave, but I managed to convince him to just let me leave. The interstate from Central to BR is raised.
He carried me to my car (I’m 4’ tall) that was on higher ground. Within hours; they were stuck on their second floor. Thank god they have a second floor. My mom doesn’t know how to swim.
Somehow they managed to get their Nissan Frontier through several feet of water WITH a 100lb dog and a mom who can’t swim. Ah!! Talking to her that day was scary.
This Texas story has been so awful to think about. It would be sad no matter what, but sweet little girls :(
That night during the rain, I had such a bad feeling and went to the back and got the dog (my parents live on a lot of land and had an outside dog). I stayed the night with him in the room with me. Next morning, we watched the water rise and rise. My dad was trying to not let me leave, but I managed to convince him to just let me leave. The interstate from Central to BR is raised.
He carried me to my car (I’m 4’ tall) that was on higher ground. Within hours; they were stuck on their second floor. Thank god they have a second floor. My mom doesn’t know how to swim.
Somehow they managed to get their Nissan Frontier through several feet of water WITH a 100lb dog and a mom who can’t swim. Ah!! Talking to her that day was scary.
This Texas story has been so awful to think about. It would be sad no matter what, but sweet little girls :(
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:26 pm to GeauxTigers123
Just got home (Georgetown) a few hours ago and took a walk to look at the damage. The walking path from my apartment to the river is covered by 5-8’ of stone (river rock). Frankly, it’s unbelievable the amount of earth that was moved by the rushing water.
Lots of missing trees and top soil to be seen. The south Austin avenue bridge was under construction for resurfacing. The decking and scaffolding that was setup under the bridge for the project is strewn a mile downriver. Workers were out today picking up and sorting the debris into reusable and trash.
My apartments are built on a peninsula between the north and south forks of the San Gabriel river. They converge just east of the apartments. Having lived a large portion of my life in Louisiana, to me, forks have always been where rivers split and go off in two or more directions. Here, the north and south forks converge into one San Gabriel river. I don’t know about you, but that seems strange to me.
Anyway, the south fork (major fork) is what has been shown in most of the videos. To my amazement, the north fork barely swelled. There was some back flow from the south fork at the convergence, but it was strangely minimal.
Besides the amount of earth movement, the craziest thing (imo) is how quickly the water receded. The crest was at 1pm yesterday and photos I got from neighbors showed the water was gone by/before 5pm. We’re talking about a 100 yard wide, 30+ foot deep river dropping to 5 foot deep (still flood depths) and ~25 foot wide in ~4 hours. That’s incredible (to me).
With S&R going on and the casualty count rising, my thoughts and prayers are with those families. Seems strange to be heading back to work in the morning.
Lots of missing trees and top soil to be seen. The south Austin avenue bridge was under construction for resurfacing. The decking and scaffolding that was setup under the bridge for the project is strewn a mile downriver. Workers were out today picking up and sorting the debris into reusable and trash.
My apartments are built on a peninsula between the north and south forks of the San Gabriel river. They converge just east of the apartments. Having lived a large portion of my life in Louisiana, to me, forks have always been where rivers split and go off in two or more directions. Here, the north and south forks converge into one San Gabriel river. I don’t know about you, but that seems strange to me.
Anyway, the south fork (major fork) is what has been shown in most of the videos. To my amazement, the north fork barely swelled. There was some back flow from the south fork at the convergence, but it was strangely minimal.
Besides the amount of earth movement, the craziest thing (imo) is how quickly the water receded. The crest was at 1pm yesterday and photos I got from neighbors showed the water was gone by/before 5pm. We’re talking about a 100 yard wide, 30+ foot deep river dropping to 5 foot deep (still flood depths) and ~25 foot wide in ~4 hours. That’s incredible (to me).
With S&R going on and the casualty count rising, my thoughts and prayers are with those families. Seems strange to be heading back to work in the morning.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:36 pm to LSUGreg
Please don’t use chat gpt for this bullshite.
Pro tip - take what it says and summarize so it doesn’t look so obvious. Remove the em dashes as well.
This is fooling nobody.
Pro tip - take what it says and summarize so it doesn’t look so obvious. Remove the em dashes as well.
This is fooling nobody.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:39 pm to Odysseus32
The water stays up about the amount of time ot rained. The water runs off that fast.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:47 pm to elprez00
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They had like 15” of rain in less than an hour over a pretty wide area.
Come on dude.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:08 pm to LouisianaLady
FYI to all on the timeline (If you look at other historic Texas floods, the warning timelines and lead times are about the same as recently as TS Beta in 2020 and Hurricane Beryl in 2024. In both cases, rainfall totals were badly underestimated in some locales):
Morning, July 3rd: NWS Austin/San Antonio conducts forecast briefings for emergency management, flagging flash flood risks.
Morning, July 3rd: National Water Center issues Flood Hazard Outlook, identifying flash flood potential for Kerrville and surrounding areas.
1:18 PM, July 3rd: NWS issues Flood Watch for Kerr County, effective through Friday morning.
6:10 PM, July 3rd: Weather Prediction Center issues first of three Mesoscale Precipitation Discussions, warning of excessive rainfall and flash flood potential.
6:22 PM, July 3rd: National Water Center warns of considerable flooding risks north and west of San Antonio, including Kerrville.
11:41 PM, July 3rd: First Flash Flood Warning issued for Bandera County.
1:14 AM, July 4th: Flash Flood Warning with “Considerable” tag issued for Bandera and Kerr Counties, triggering Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) and NOAA Weather Radio notifications.
4:03 AM, July 4th: Flash Flood Warning upgraded to Flash Flood Emergency for south-central Kerr County, including Hunt.
4:35 AM, July 4th: Kerr County Sheriff’s Office reports flooding at low water crossings, 201 minutes (over 3 hours) after the 1:14 AM warning.
5:00 AM, July 4th: National Water Center warns of widespread considerable and catastrophic flooding.
5:34 AM, July 4th: Flash Flood Emergency issued for the Guadalupe River, signaling a “large and deadly flood wave.”
The National Weather Service provided over 12 hours of advance notice via the Flood Watch and over 3 hours of lead time for Flash Flood Warnings, with escalated alerts as the storm intensified.
Morning, July 3rd: NWS Austin/San Antonio conducts forecast briefings for emergency management, flagging flash flood risks.
Morning, July 3rd: National Water Center issues Flood Hazard Outlook, identifying flash flood potential for Kerrville and surrounding areas.
1:18 PM, July 3rd: NWS issues Flood Watch for Kerr County, effective through Friday morning.
6:10 PM, July 3rd: Weather Prediction Center issues first of three Mesoscale Precipitation Discussions, warning of excessive rainfall and flash flood potential.
6:22 PM, July 3rd: National Water Center warns of considerable flooding risks north and west of San Antonio, including Kerrville.
11:41 PM, July 3rd: First Flash Flood Warning issued for Bandera County.
1:14 AM, July 4th: Flash Flood Warning with “Considerable” tag issued for Bandera and Kerr Counties, triggering Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) and NOAA Weather Radio notifications.
4:03 AM, July 4th: Flash Flood Warning upgraded to Flash Flood Emergency for south-central Kerr County, including Hunt.
4:35 AM, July 4th: Kerr County Sheriff’s Office reports flooding at low water crossings, 201 minutes (over 3 hours) after the 1:14 AM warning.
5:00 AM, July 4th: National Water Center warns of widespread considerable and catastrophic flooding.
5:34 AM, July 4th: Flash Flood Emergency issued for the Guadalupe River, signaling a “large and deadly flood wave.”
The National Weather Service provided over 12 hours of advance notice via the Flood Watch and over 3 hours of lead time for Flash Flood Warnings, with escalated alerts as the storm intensified.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:31 pm to TigerHornII
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The National Weather Service provided over 12 hours of advance notice via the Flood Watch and over 3 hours of lead time for Flash Flood Warnings, with escalated alerts as the storm intensified.
The overall setup was forecast well be the WPC, NWC, and the local NWS Austin/San Antonio office. The what wasn't the issue with this setup. The where, as far as specific areas goes, was. They just aren't going to nail particulars with a setup like this one, at least not with the lead time a lot of the public has grown accustomed to.
There are no nits to pick with the forecasting. There was no shortage of personnel that hampered monitoring and response. The issues with the weather balloon launch shortages aren't in play because this area is still well covered in that regard. The EAS push notification system worked by accounts from those in charge. NOAA weather radios, which would have covered gaps in cellular coverage, were up and working as intended. The people trying to turn this into a condemnation of NOAA/NWS cuts are doing so disingenuously, and those who don't know better are gobbling that up thanks to our political climate these days.
The only legitimate gripe I have is with messaging, and that is common to some degree or another on many red letter weather events. Direct, in situation, public-facing messaging from the NWS Austin/San Antonio office lacked a sense of urgency, in my opinion. That said, things happened so quickly that even they likely weren't aware of the extent of the danger in real time. Given that this began at night and on a holiday weekend when the normal weather spotter network was probably not as well represented in the field, there just weren't as many eyes on the developing situation as they would normally have.
The tone struck in the warnings prior to the FF Emergency being issued wasn't wasnt dire enough, I don't think, at least not enough to rouse a sleeping public to action. By the time the FF Emergency was issued things deteriorated so quickly that the time for action shrank to near zero. This is as much a question for the sociology side of the equation as much as the meteorological side. Messaging can always evolve, but it is a slow progression.
Early warning systems on the rivers (or more of them) could help. Though, keeping the system of weather monitoring stations we already have functional is a big issue already without adding more to the equation. That problem will likely get worse before it gets better, though.
Anyway, this wall of text is nothing more than extemporaneous rambling, so I will leave it there to be parsed out by those with skin in the game later.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:37 pm to TigerHornII
You won't get enough credit for this but I think you're absolutely spot on These flash floods are such a normal occurrence and as I said that I think even to the point some of the camps treated it like a learning experience for the kids . and not irresponsibly, that's one of the lessons that you want kids to get from summer camp, is .. tough it out
being away from home for the first time the challenges,the lessons
At least I can say that that's part of Texas culture, that if you send your kids to camps like this, which is one of the privileged camps
and then this one hit with that much rain at that time of the morning at that point in the river
It's culture-shaking,
being away from home for the first time the challenges,the lessons
At least I can say that that's part of Texas culture, that if you send your kids to camps like this, which is one of the privileged camps
and then this one hit with that much rain at that time of the morning at that point in the river
It's culture-shaking,
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:46 pm to weadjust
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At 10:13 in the video. Is that someone in a pink shirt yelling and floating with/on the debris on the right side of video?
A little later a blue object comes floating down. It gets close enough to see that it's a plastic bucket or jug. I can't say for certain, but I've watched that clip several times and it didn't look like a person to me.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 6:17 am to elprez00
I am talking about seeding the clouds
Posted on 7/7/25 at 6:51 am to LegendInMyMind
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The tone struck in the warnings prior to the FF Emergency being issued wasn't wasnt dire enough
How many people turned off their emergency alerts years ago, due to constantly being bombarded by silver alerts for places seven hours from where we live, etc? For just weather alone, it feels like a special weather statement gets issued at least once every 2 weeks, at least in Houston.
I obviously didn't get any of the flood alerts due to distance, but didn't they make the imminent threat to life fairly clear?
Posted on 7/7/25 at 7:22 am to TxWadingFool
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That isn't true, there were several meteorologist predicting what they call "Rain Bombs" for the area. What they couldn't predict was an exact location of where these would explode and dump 15+" of rain in a short amount of time. They were posting models back on Tuesday and Wednesday that showed the area to be just NW of SA, they didn't miss it by much at all in retrospect.
The earliest any meteorologist in the San Antonio area posted (that we saw) was Thursday morning and the two that did were both along the lines of “conditions could possibly allow for”. And every weather app and forecast was showing these chances at less than 20%
Just not something that somebody hooks up their fifth wheel and says let’s cancel Fourth of July over and unfortunately not something that I can’t director says it’s to evacuate a camp over
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