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re: Tesla sued over non-performance for promised free charging for life.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:13 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:13 pm to HubbaBubba
Charge your car at home. Problem solved.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 6:07 pm to kywildcatfanone
The issue is that it is not a exact time to charge. And they also throttle the charging based on amount of other cars which prevents from fully charging at normal speeds. They build the charging stations at targets to incentivise the charging experience. The warning text, assuming good reception in store, comes fast. If you are in checkout line, do you leave?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 6:49 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:
Charge your car at home
Yes, until your local electric reliability council deems your home car charger as "non-essential" and either shuts it down or lowers the charging rate to a trickle.
So unless you live in Texas or California, or some place where extreme heat, extreme cold or wildfires are an issue, you should be good.
This would never happen you say? It's Already Happening With Smart Thermostats.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 6:50 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
parsecs
OK, George Lucas, a parsec is unit of distance, not time.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:24 pm to kciDAtaE
quote:Depends on many factors.
How long does it take to charge a Tesla?
Are you charing at home or a supercharger?
Are you trying to fully charge to 100% or just to get to your next destination?
Are you down to say, 10 miles left and need to go up to 200 miles or are you at 120 miles and need to go to 200?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:26 pm to WestSideTiger
quote:No, you charge at home overnight.
So what do people do, bring their car to a charging station and take an Uber to home/work? Can’t it take hours to charge at some places?
In probably 99% of situations, you can charge for 15 minutes or less and have more than enough to get you to your next destination.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:29 pm to toohottie
quote:For older superchargers, this is correct. For the stations with the newer superchargers, everyone can charge at full speed, regardless of how many cars are charging.
And they also throttle the charging based on amount of other cars which prevents from fully charging at normal speeds
quote:You get a notification when fully charged, but there's nothing stopping you from checking your Tesla app to see how much time you have left so you can plan ahead for that.
They build the charging stations at targets to incentivise the charging experience. The warning text, assuming good reception in store, comes fast. If you are in checkout line, do you leave?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:30 pm to Unobtanium
quote:I never agreed to allow me local electric company to deem my home charging nonessential, so your link is entirely irrelevant to your made up assertion.
Yes, until your local electric reliability council deems your home car charger as "non-essential" and either shuts it down or lowers the charging rate to a trickle.
So unless you live in Texas or California, or some place where extreme heat, extreme cold or wildfires are an issue, you should be good.
This would never happen you say?
The people in the link you posted signed a contract and in order to save a few bucks on their power bill, they opted to allow their electric company to do that.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:31 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
So, this guy plugs in, leaves it plugged in, then decides to go shopping, out to dinner, visit a crack house, whatever, leaving his car connected to a Supercharger like a dick, preventing other Tesla owners from using the Supercharger, and is pissed that Tesla charges him a fee for his selfishness?
I hope Tesla wins this one, although in Alameda County I kind of doubt it. I used to work in Alameda. People there are a-holes.
All they have to do is declare the charging is free but the non charging parking time costs x amount per min or hour or whatever.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:56 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:
Charge your car at home. Problem solved.
$10 said he has an apple phone. I never get why people with Apple phones cannot charge it over night
Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:37 pm to Unobtanium
quote:
This would never happen you say? It's Already Happening With Smart Thermostats.
Except this is an opt in program that often confers a credit for participation during conservation periods. The summery on the link thread you provided even explicitly says this.
THINK! How do you think the local power companies got access, or even knew which units were where? Notice there are no articles expressing outrage to manufacturers of these smart units for giving a hook in.
Congrats, you are equally as stupid as the folks who opted in but then acted surprised about it.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:43 pm to HubbaBubba
Is the government (us tax payers) paying for them to charge for free? Or does Tesla supported by tax credits foot the bill with their negative profit and we pay for it that way?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:47 pm to GRTiger
quote:
This guy doesn't want free charging, he wants
To be a dick
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:52 pm to HubbaBubba
Doesn't seem like they're charging him to charge his car. They're charging him for not letting other people charge their cars.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:50 pm to Volvagia
quote:
Congrats, you are equally as stupid as the folks who opted in but then acted surprised about it.
Hardly - I actually read contracts and EUA's, and no one controls my thermostat but me. But thanks for playing.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:02 pm to shel311
Sorry I struck a nerve. I am certain you and all other EV owners are smarter than the average smart thermostat owners and read all your EUA's and every page of every contract.
My assertion (I prefer the word speculation) that this is a future possibility is based on trends, namely increased demands placed on electric power grids, from EV's, population growth, etc., as well as restrictions on reliable generation (NG fired) in favor of less reliable wind and solar power.
At some point, load leveling will become a necessary tool to manage peak load demand, and your home A/C and EV charger are prime candidates for "adjustments". Just because you didn't sign up for it today doesn't mean you will have an opt-in/out choice in the future.
My speculation may prove be wrong or right, only time will tell.
ETA:
1. Somewhat related - did you know that your car, if it's newer than model year 2013, has a "black box" event recorder? If you do, you're the exception, as it isn't widely publicized and you have dig into your owner's manual to find any mention of it. Now, did you opt-in for that feature?
2. Picture a scenario in the near-future. A power system operator is experiencing high power demand, enough that it's eating into his system reserves, enough to where his options on curbing demand to prevent a system collapse are:
a) rolling brown- or black-outs, or
b) send a command to car chargers to roll back temporarily and/or to smart thermostats to extend their off-times or raise their temperature setting, again temporarily.
From a power system operator, which is the least bad option? Faced with such an emergency, your opt-in or opt-out may be irrelevant. Because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.

My assertion (I prefer the word speculation) that this is a future possibility is based on trends, namely increased demands placed on electric power grids, from EV's, population growth, etc., as well as restrictions on reliable generation (NG fired) in favor of less reliable wind and solar power.
At some point, load leveling will become a necessary tool to manage peak load demand, and your home A/C and EV charger are prime candidates for "adjustments". Just because you didn't sign up for it today doesn't mean you will have an opt-in/out choice in the future.
My speculation may prove be wrong or right, only time will tell.
ETA:
1. Somewhat related - did you know that your car, if it's newer than model year 2013, has a "black box" event recorder? If you do, you're the exception, as it isn't widely publicized and you have dig into your owner's manual to find any mention of it. Now, did you opt-in for that feature?
2. Picture a scenario in the near-future. A power system operator is experiencing high power demand, enough that it's eating into his system reserves, enough to where his options on curbing demand to prevent a system collapse are:
a) rolling brown- or black-outs, or
b) send a command to car chargers to roll back temporarily and/or to smart thermostats to extend their off-times or raise their temperature setting, again temporarily.
From a power system operator, which is the least bad option? Faced with such an emergency, your opt-in or opt-out may be irrelevant. Because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:24 pm to Hickok
quote:
Is the government (us tax payers) paying for them to charge for free? Or does Tesla supported by tax credits foot the bill with their negative profit and we pay for it that way?
O&G never got or gets any taxpayer support.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:28 pm to Unobtanium
quote:
1. Somewhat related - did you know that your car, if it's newer than model year 2013, has a "black box" event recorder? If you do, you're the exception, as it isn't widely publicized and you have dig into your owner's manual to find any mention of it. Now, did you opt-in for that feature?
Have you ever looked at the full list of cars with event data recorders in them? The list is 100s long with the vast majority of the models not being EVs.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:42 pm to Hickok
quote:No
Is the government (us tax payers) paying for them to charge for free?
quote:Funny how people complain about this all the time but rarely do people ever complain about it when it happens in the oil and gas industry.
Or does Tesla supported by tax credits foot the bill with their negative profit and we pay for it that way?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:42 pm to Unobtanium
quote:If you knew this, then why did you make the entirely irrelevant comparison?
Hardly - I actually read contracts and EUA's, and no one controls my thermostat but me. But thanks for playing.
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