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re: Tesla camera saves innocent man from prison after Police lie about fleeing
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:24 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:24 pm to Joshjrn
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The judge didn't "review" anything; as the Yahoo article outlines, the defense had the video prior to the start of trial. The state presented its case to the jury and did not use the video. Defense then presented its case to the jury and used the video. The judge then granted the motion for directed verdict.
The judge had never seen the video. It was not subject to any pretrial motions and was first seen by the judge when the defense presented it as the last action of the trial before jury deliberation.
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The way OP and some subsequent posts frame it, it's as though the production of this video was some grand surprise requiring the judge to step in, which just isn't reflective of realty.
It was a surprise to those that didn't have access to discovery evidence, i.e. the state and the defense. That's what makes this case even more egregious.
The state chose to move forward on a case that they should have known they had no chance in winning. Judges are VERY averse to a directed verdict in a jury trial because they are not the finder of fact. They want the jury to make a determination. But the evidence was so overwhelmingly in the defense's favor, that the judge deemed they had to exercise that extraordinary mechanism. That's what makes this all the more crazy.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:25 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Mingo Was His NameO
You need a timeout. You make it a point to be an a-hole in every thread and troll with absolutely stupid takes
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:28 pm to lsuson
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Fock that ex cop
Fock that cop.
FIFY.
This post was edited on 10/26/26 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:29 pm to RelicBatches86
The cop was jealous of ol boys hairline
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:30 pm to RelicBatches86
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Officer resigned amid an internal investigation following the incident.
Not good enough.
Needs a very long prison sentence.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:That's not what happened in this case. You need to watch the video. Another cop explained to the guy why that happened.
Who knows what's in the hands of every person stopped for every traffic violation. Should we train our officers to approach every vehicle with their pistol drawn and trained at the vehicle occupants?
1- the guy hadn't seen the cop, but the cop (wrongly) thought the guy had, and was running away (felony). Which makes the use of the gun ok. Even though that was a misunderstanding
2- when he got to the guy's place, the garage was opening up, so the cop couldn't see what was behind so he drew his weapon and issued commands.
Now that obviously sucks from the POV of the guy as well. But up to that point, everything could be chalked up to a misunderstanding. But of course instead of just leaving it at that and issuing him the ticket, they decided to make it a bigger deal.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:35 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Hope he doesn't get a job in law enforcement ever again
Probably had a job upon his boss calling the next department down the street and recomending him. They probably all got together and had a big laugh over it.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:36 pm to KosmoCramer
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The judge had never seen the video. It was not subject to any pretrial motions and was first seen by the judge when the defense presented it as the last action of the trial before jury deliberation.
I appreciate that; I'm objecting to the framing that has implied that the judge "reviewed" it outside of the scope of trial or the hearing of the jury. The video was presented at trial. Easy peasy and utterly routine.
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It was a surprise to those that didn't have access to discovery evidence, i.e. the state and the defense. That's what makes this case even more egregious.
The state chose to move forward on a case that they should have known they had no chance in winning. Judges are VERY averse to a directed verdict in a jury trial because they are not the finder of fact. They want the jury to make a determination. But the evidence was so overwhelmingly in the defense's favor, that the judge deemed they had to exercise that extraordinary mechanism. That's what makes this all the more crazy.
This actually isn't surprising to me. With the LEO doubling and tripling down on what they "saw", the prosecutor would have had to functionally determine that the LEO was lying. Practically every DA's office has a "Brady List" which includes the names and offenses of any LEO who has done something that would impugn their trustworthiness such that it would trigger the prosecutor's duty under Brady/Giglio/Kyles. In my opinion, that LEO would have to go on that list if the prosecutor made that call. It would also blow up every active case in which they were the arresting officer. However, if you take it to trial and a judge or jury simply determines that the officer was "wrong", you don't have the same future evidentiary issues.
While it's no fun to lose, their boss probably told them that they were going to take this one for the team if the alternative was the office having to fire sale some untold number of cases.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Nearly every police officer in the country lies exactly like this.
I don’t think I’ve ever read a police report where they didn’t fabricate crimes.
Police officers are pieces of shite, with few exceptions.
The few exceptions which exist are guilty of enabling the majority who are pieces of shite.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:40 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:The entire basis for the stop was a fabricated pretext.
Finley was coming from a closed garage so who knows what he had in his hand so that was justified.
The cop had nothing to worry about coming out of the garage because there should have never been a traffic stop in the first place.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:48 pm to KosmoCramer
Was it a jury trial?
Look. The judge did the right thing.
He had an opportunity to do the right thing before the trial started but chose not to do so.
Nothing changed during the trial to the tesla video or prepared prosecution evidence.
But the judge acted differently after the presentation of evidence.
Good lord. We are going to get into semantics about if a jury trial was completed if the jury never had an opportunity to convene for verdict.
Look. The judge did the right thing.
He had an opportunity to do the right thing before the trial started but chose not to do so.
Nothing changed during the trial to the tesla video or prepared prosecution evidence.
But the judge acted differently after the presentation of evidence.
Good lord. We are going to get into semantics about if a jury trial was completed if the jury never had an opportunity to convene for verdict.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Who knows what's in the hands of every person stopped for every traffic violation. Should we train our officers to approach every vehicle with their pistol drawn and trained at the vehicle occupants?
Yes, because they have what is about the 25th most dangerous job in the United States. They actually ought to be trained to just shoot everyone they encounter just in case because they have about the 25th most dangerous jobs in America. Never mind if your remove vehicle accidents from the mix, where they wind up getting injured or killed by driving like a fricking maniac because someone saw someone who was suspicious their job would drop down to about 40th most dangerous job in the US. It is incredibly dangerous to spend 90% of your time cruising around in a county vehicle, breaking the law a great deal of the time while doing so, and hiding behind bushes looking for speeders while doing frick all about the hundreds of speeders everyone sees everytime they drive anywhere.
No they should not be trained to approach every vehicle with their weapon drawn....just the opposite only about 1 in 20 ought to be allowed to carry a weapon at all at any time. Whats that? They would all quit? GOOD. If you can't do 90% of what they do without the comfort of having a pistol with you you ain't cut out to do what they do about 90% of their day. Cameras can do about 90% of what they do and do so without violating anyones civil rights and over reacting and escalating situations when it would take a monumental effort to escalate a situation. How any small government type people can justify the police presence in most of the US is a mystery which lays the lie to them being small government type people.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:52 pm to meansonny
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Was it a jury trial?
Look. The judge did the right thing.
He had an opportunity to do the right thing before the trial started but chose not to do so.
Nothing changed during the trial to the tesla video or prepared prosecution evidence.
But the judge acted differently after the presentation of evidence.
Good lord. We are going to get into semantics about if a jury trial was completed if the jury never had an opportunity to convene for verdict.
Yes it was a jury trial.
The judge didn't see the video until trial. The distinction is the significant prosecutorial misconduct and actions by the state outside of the cop that resigned. That's very significant and more heads should roll for this.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:53 pm to BigDropper
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The Cop is a P.O.S., but why did he close the garage door, then open it again?
Who gives a F?
Because it's his house, his garage, his garage door, and opening/closing your garage door isn't a crime?
So now opening/closing your garage door is reasonable suspicion?
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:53 pm to FearTheFish
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The cop had nothing to worry about coming out of the garage because there should have never been a traffic stop in the first place.
Passing the stationary vehicle in the middle of the intersection was reckless. He pulled around 1 vehicle and in front of 2 others. Contact with any of those vehicles would have been the Tesla's fault. The only reason he could do so safely was because he was in a tesla and those things have immediate throttle.
The driver makes a good point. How long does he have to wait for a driver that is paralyzed to move?
I understand the stop by the law enforcement officer. I would have let it go with a warning. Obviously the officer's adrenaline kicked in and made it into way more than a judgment call by the driver.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:53 pm to meansonny
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The irony is that the tesla camera supported the driving pattern claimed by the defendant.
The police camera showed the law enforcement officer doing all of the things that he claimed the Tesla driver was guilty of.
Only one of the two drivers was reckless. And it wasn't the tesla.
When was the last time anyone saw a policeman not speeding? Seriously, I drive almost 100 miles a day to work and see cops constantly exceeding the speed limit by 15 or more MPH, not using turning signals, blowing through stop signs and red lights, parking in no parking zones....when I see one driving who hasn't broke a couple of laws it is notable. These aren't cops responding to calls, at least not with their lights on, when I see that there is no telling what the crazy bastards will do in a car.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:54 pm to Joshjrn
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This actually isn't surprising to me. With the LEO doubling and tripling down on what they "saw", the prosecutor would have had to functionally determine that the LEO was lying. Practically every DA's office has a "Brady List" which includes the names and offenses of any LEO who has done something that would impugn their trustworthiness such that it would trigger the prosecutor's duty under Brady/Giglio/Kyles. In my opinion, that LEO would have to go on that list if the prosecutor made that call. It would also blow up every active case in which they were the arresting officer. However, if you take it to trial and a judge or jury simply determines that the officer was "wrong", you don't have the same future evidentiary issues.
While it's no fun to lose, their boss probably told them that they were going to take this one for the team if the alternative was the office having to fire sale some untold number of cases.
You're not understanding the point. The presocutor that brought the case should be fired and have a bar complaint filed against them. Anyone in the DAs office or above that pressured them to move forward (if that actually happened) should have the same thing happen to them as well.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:55 pm to KosmoCramer
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Yes it was a jury trial.
The judge didn't see the video until trial
That is incorrect.
The entire premise for pretrial dismissal was based on the tesla video and lack of sufficient evidence of guilt by the prosecution.
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:56 pm to KosmoCramer
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You're not understanding the point. The presocutor that brought the case should be fired and have a bar complaint filed against them. Anyone in the DAs office or above that pressured them to move forward (if that actually happened) should have the same thing happen to them as well.
Speaking as someone who exclusively did criminal defense work for over a decade: while I 100% agree with you, good fricking luck
Posted on 10/26/26 at 12:57 pm to meansonny
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The other troubling issue is why did the prosecutor not turn down this case in the first place after reviewing the evidence?
That is the proper question.
The LEO was still on the force at the time of the trial this year.
But as was said earlier, it is fairly easy to move from one municipality to another.
Cops, prosecutors and judges are all co-workers. They work together every day. It would be akin to someone in accounts payable not agreeing with someone in accounts receivable. No matter how badly cops behave the state's initial reaction is to support them with every ounce of support the state can produce. There ain't no good in any of them....cops, prosecutors or judges.
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