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re: Teenager killed knocking on wrong door
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:41 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:41 am to Darth_Vader
quote:That's absurd. That might almost be reasonable for a scared, little old lady. You can't shoot someone just for breaking glass. Based on this being the middle of the day and based on the owner having several options, he's going to go to jail for a long while.
Once it went from banging on the door to a window being busted in, that's when the line has been crossed and any reasonable person would think whoever is on the other side of that door has bad intentions.
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:44 am to airfernando
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You can't shoot someone just for breaking glass.
I don't agree with that. If someone started breaking the glass on my front door trying to come in, I'm not letting them in.
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Based on this being the middle of the day and based on the owner having several options, he's going to go to jail for a long while.
We'll see. It's MA, so that's definitely a possibility.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:44 am to Upperdecker
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How does someone go about "accidentally" knocking so hard the glass on the window breaks? I lived in the fraternity house, so I've seen drunk people break things, but it's never been "on accident". It still takes way more force than reasonable even when you're drunk
Ehh. My nephew was 6 when he broke a window while knocking on my mother's door once. My mom's was an older (1890-ish) house, so maybe the glass broke more easily
My nephew was upset because someone was supposed to meet him getting off the school bus. Miscommunication between mom and grandma meant no one did, the kid was upset, and banged hard enough to break a window.Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:45 am to PrivatePublic
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Massachusetts is so retarded. It sounds like I could strap a go pro to my head, kick in someone's door, loudly proclaim I do not intend to harm anybody, then start grabbing shite and either get out without incident, or press charges against the homeowner if he shoots me.
Or maybe they don't see the need to enable people to justify shooting people that aren't yet even in their homes.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:45 am to PrivatePublic
Each states laws are different. In general though any part of the body or item being held which is then considered an extension of the body that breaks the plane of a door or window into a home or vehicle is considered "entering".
Many states have laws that allow for higher level of force including deadly force during self-defense after dark. The ability to discern possession of a weapon and harmful intent in the dark of night is reduced.
In Tx and La this is a open and shut case of self defense under the castle law. In Massachusetts, this fella may have some problems.
Many states have laws that allow for higher level of force including deadly force during self-defense after dark. The ability to discern possession of a weapon and harmful intent in the dark of night is reduced.
In Tx and La this is a open and shut case of self defense under the castle law. In Massachusetts, this fella may have some problems.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:49 am to LNCHBOX
That's fine. I'm not going to argue you're wrong for thinking that way, and despite my recent reputation, I'm not being contrarian just for the sake of it. I just believe some people are too quick to give a pass to every legally justifiable shooting. As I say nearly everytime it is discussed, a legal use of deadly force does not always equal a moral use of deadly force.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:51 am to slackster
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I just believe some people are too quick to give a pass to every legally justifiable shooting
And I think too many people make excuses for the criminals in these instances. This particular situation is way more unfortunate than most, but this type of incident also happens extremely rarely.
With each justified shooting, hopefully criminals start to realize that they might die committing whatever crime it is they're planning to commit.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Once it went from banging on the door to a window being busted in, that's when the line has been crossed and any reasonable person would think whoever is on the other side of that door has bad intentions.
I rarely agree with you, but I think this is right.
This whole thing is really unfortunate.....it's too bad the guy didn't think to fire a warning shot. I think they would have ran off after that.
Didn't the article mention that state laws may NOT be on his side?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:02 am to ULSU
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Or maybe they don't see the need to enable people to justify shooting people that aren't yet even in their homes.
The point you don't understand is that such laws are designed to trap those who would be otherwise lawfully defending themselves. You should research the history of duty-to-retreat laws before making another assumption that won't end well for you.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:06 am to slackster
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a legal use of deadly force does not always equal a moral use of deadly force.
True and false at the same time.
The criminal laws of this country were predominantly written based on Judeo Christian values and morality. Your personal agreeance or disagreeance with another persons legal and moral decision to use deadly force does not make their action amoral.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:11 am to FLObserver
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 10:25 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:12 am to airfernando
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That's absurd. That might almost be reasonable for a scared, little old lady. You can't shoot someone just for breaking glass. Based on this being the middle of the day and based on the owner having several options, he's going to go to jail for a long while.
Totally agree. Had he looked out a window he might have saw they were drinking and a bunch of kids with no weapons but he chose to shoot. I mean if the kid was climbing threw the window after being warned then so be it but to just shoot because a window broke.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:12 am to FLObserver
When I was a senior in HS, my buddy and I went up to Ole Miss to stay with my sister and party.
She lived in one of those townhouses that all looked alike. My buddy got way too drunk at the bar, took a cab home, and went into the wrong house. He went into the room he thought was the guest room, got naked, and went to sleep under the covers.
Well, that was a random girl’s house and her bedroom. She got home and saw a naked stranger in her bed.
Instead of calling the cops, she slept on the couch and when he woke up the next day he was confused as frick. We found him walking around the parking lot trying to figure out what place was my sister’s
Could have ended BADLY. She thought it was her roommates friend or something.
She lived in one of those townhouses that all looked alike. My buddy got way too drunk at the bar, took a cab home, and went into the wrong house. He went into the room he thought was the guest room, got naked, and went to sleep under the covers.
Well, that was a random girl’s house and her bedroom. She got home and saw a naked stranger in her bed.
Instead of calling the cops, she slept on the couch and when he woke up the next day he was confused as frick. We found him walking around the parking lot trying to figure out what place was my sister’s
Could have ended BADLY. She thought it was her roommates friend or something.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:17 am to TheCaterpillar
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My buddy got way too drunk at the bar, took a cab home, and went into the wrong house
According to some on here he should have been blasted for being young and stupid.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:20 am to FLObserver
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According to some on here he should have been blasted for being young and stupid.
I don't see anyone saying that. I see people saying that they understand the decision to shoot.
Also, as an aside, WTF is this shite?
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I do wonder why the gun owner didn’t just slam the door in the kid’s face and call 911 while he was exiting the house by another exit.”
So leave your house so someone can just break in? Bunch of pussies up north apparently.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:22 am to beauchristopher
quote:Are you sure that didn't happen at 3 am in the afternoon???
at 3 am in the morning
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:30 am to FLObserver
People don't "accidentally walk in" when you have a good dog.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:31 am to FLObserver
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My buddy got way too drunk at the bar, took a cab home, and went into the wrong house
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According to some on here he should have been blasted for being young and stupid.
These are two totally different cases. If I was sitting at home at like 2 a.m. and my door opened up because I'm a dumbass for not locking it, then I'm likely going to be in total shock and have a few seconds to realize it's someone who has been drinking.
At 1 p.m., that is not something I'm willing to risk. My parents house was targeted for theft when I was in high school during the day when they were away at work, which is much more logical then breaking in while people are almost certainly in the residence at night.
If I'm at home during a weekday and I hear my front window get busted in the first thing I'm going to think is that it's a burglar and I'm grabbing the gun near my bed, not because I want to use it, because I'm sure it would suck to live with killing someone on your conscience for the rest of my life, but because I'm going to be worried about MY livelihood.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:36 am to FLObserver
quote:gotten shot...
Totally agree. Had he looked out a window he might have
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:42 am to shel311
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Totally agree. Had he looked out a window he might have
gotten shot... or might not be charged with murder
Totally agree. Had he looked out a window he might have
gotten shot... or might not be charged with murder
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