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re: Teachers are walking away from their careers in Alabama because of unruly students
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:28 am to JabarkusRussell
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:28 am to JabarkusRussell
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According to a study released last year by the Economic Policy Institute nearly 14% of America's teachers are either leaving their school or leaving teaching altogether
It isn't just AL. And the first guy they interviewed, taught in Mobile County Public Schools. That's a rough crowd and I'm positive the AL government isn't throwing cash at them trying to fix the problems they're facing.
I'm not one to defend teachers and don't blame them one bit if they get fed up with the way kids are these days. But, it's just like with any other job in that it kind of depends on where you land your job at. Teaching at Hoover or Madison (public schools) is a lot different than teaching at Vigor or Ensley. But we need the parents of these kids to instill the value of an education into these kids so maybe they will actually go to school and maybe try and learn some things to better their future. Can't put it all on the government and education associations.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:32 am to JabarkusRussell
This is what happens when the crybaby parents have handcuffed the schools from dealing out needed punishment. My wife is a teacher. If she sends a kid to the office, all they do is talk to the counselor. And the counselor usually gives the kid some candy. WTF? When I was in school, you feared going to the office. You were either going to get a paddling or suspended. Now, the kid damn near has to murder someone to get suspended. My sons tell me the only reason that they don't misbehave like the other kids in school is because they are afraid of what I will do to them when they get home.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:35 am to JabarkusRussell
Can you blame them?
The decay of the American Family is killing large sections of society.
The decay of the American Family is killing large sections of society.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:37 am to IAmNERD
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It isn't just AL.
It sure isn't. The same thing is being repeated all around the country. Definitely here in LA....
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:40 am to JabarkusRussell
We have a system that sends the newest and most inexperienced teachers into the worst and most needy schools. They don't know WTF they are doing (just like you didn't know WTF you were doing when you first started working after college) and they have absolutely no support system to help them. All the other teachers are just as green as they are, the principal is green as a principal, etc.
The vast majority of kids come from terrible family situations and a number of them probably have un-diagnosed mental issues.
Yes, first year teachers are paid well (the problem with teacher pay isn't first year pay, it's the fact that they pay hardly grows based on experience and ability). But they aren't paid well enough to deal with all of the problems of an inner-city school.
Meanwhile, at least in LA, we have a system that actually penalizes schools for suspending kids. Yes... that's right... if you suspend too many kids, or have too many discipline referrals, the school is downgraded. That leads to principals getting fired or reassigned. So what do you think happens? They just don't suspend kids. The kids know they can get away with whatever they want to, because there will be no real consequence.
The vast majority of kids come from terrible family situations and a number of them probably have un-diagnosed mental issues.
Yes, first year teachers are paid well (the problem with teacher pay isn't first year pay, it's the fact that they pay hardly grows based on experience and ability). But they aren't paid well enough to deal with all of the problems of an inner-city school.
Meanwhile, at least in LA, we have a system that actually penalizes schools for suspending kids. Yes... that's right... if you suspend too many kids, or have too many discipline referrals, the school is downgraded. That leads to principals getting fired or reassigned. So what do you think happens? They just don't suspend kids. The kids know they can get away with whatever they want to, because there will be no real consequence.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:41 am to JabarkusRussell
Public school should be removed. Whatever tax money was spent on it can be put into internet infrastructure and educating via the internet. You would need one big school of teachers basically for the whole country and we'd save a lot of tax payer money on babysitting. If communities want public schools they can pay for them themselves.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:43 am to LSUFanHouston
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Meanwhile, at least in LA, we have a system that actually penalizes schools for suspending kids. Yes... that's right... if you suspend too many kids, or have too many discipline referrals, the school is downgraded. That leads to principals getting fired or reassigned. So what do you think happens? They just don't suspend kids. The kids know they can get away with whatever they want to, because there will be no real consequence.
this is a HUGE issue
dont want to hurt the school score. so by not disciplining them they are disrupting class and consequently hurting the school score by lowering test scores because not as much learning is going on
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:44 am to Kay
I have no kids and am not a teacher, but I have questions that will probably come off as ignorance with a large dose of naivety.
Why can't a private company install HD cameras in the classroom? That would provide evidence to show these parents little johnny ain't no angel. I understand the cost involved, but would there be enough benefit to justify costs? Some of these teachers are physically at risk, not to mention the mental aspect.
Also, the administration is whacked. They need to support the teachers in these disputes but I recognize government structure is set up to pass failure forward. All that red tape ($) and here we are.
I could not be a teacher for 200k a year.
Why can't a private company install HD cameras in the classroom? That would provide evidence to show these parents little johnny ain't no angel. I understand the cost involved, but would there be enough benefit to justify costs? Some of these teachers are physically at risk, not to mention the mental aspect.
Also, the administration is whacked. They need to support the teachers in these disputes but I recognize government structure is set up to pass failure forward. All that red tape ($) and here we are.
I could not be a teacher for 200k a year.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:45 am to jvilletiger25
My wife (no pics, HS teacher) had a kid that would not put his phone away. She told the kid to give her the phone. He did, but as he placed the phone in his hand, he tried to pull it back. She was stronger and pulled it out of his hand. She turned the phone into the office (school policy).
The next morning, the father of said student was at the school at 7 am, DEMANDING that my wife be ARRESTED for "theft" of his child's phone. When the principal basically told him to go away, he then said he would be suing the school and my wife. My wife almost quit on the spot, because she was so upset. Principal basically told her that they have had tons of problems with this parent. The crazy thing is, it was Feb when this happened, the school is on a semester system so she's taught him for almost 2 months. Kid is lazy AF but has never been a real problem child.
What's going to happen, soon, is that there won't be enough teachers around. And then what are we going to do?
People say, ah, they make 50K and get all that time off. Sure. They do. But they also put up with a lot of crap from parents and admins. Many teachers are deciding 50K and time off isn't worth it.
The next morning, the father of said student was at the school at 7 am, DEMANDING that my wife be ARRESTED for "theft" of his child's phone. When the principal basically told him to go away, he then said he would be suing the school and my wife. My wife almost quit on the spot, because she was so upset. Principal basically told her that they have had tons of problems with this parent. The crazy thing is, it was Feb when this happened, the school is on a semester system so she's taught him for almost 2 months. Kid is lazy AF but has never been a real problem child.
What's going to happen, soon, is that there won't be enough teachers around. And then what are we going to do?
People say, ah, they make 50K and get all that time off. Sure. They do. But they also put up with a lot of crap from parents and admins. Many teachers are deciding 50K and time off isn't worth it.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 8:46 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:46 am to zatetic
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Public school should be removed. Whatever tax money was spent on it can be put into internet infrastructure and educating via the internet. You would need one big school of teachers basically for the whole country and we'd save a lot of tax payer money on babysitting. If communities want public schools they can pay for them themselves.
I can see this for high school, maybe.
You want first graders sitting at home alone for 7 hours being taught via a computer?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:48 am to Geaux23
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dont want to hurt the school score. so by not disciplining them they are disrupting class and consequently hurting the school score by lowering test scores because not as much learning is going on
The hit for disciplining kids is more than the hit from a lower test score. It's absolutely insane.
One or two kids in a classroom can ruin an instructional day for 28 kids, and the schools are scared crapless to do anything about it.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:51 am to jvilletiger25
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If she sends a kid to the office, all they do is talk to the counselor. And the counselor usually gives the kid some candy. WTF? When I was in school, you feared going to the office. You were either going to get a paddling or suspended. Now, the kid damn near has to murder someone to get suspended.
It's definitely different from school to school and district to district, but this isn't the case at all at my kids' schools. They'll suspend kids at the drop of a hat. They don't paddle I don't think, but there have been several suspensions my kids have told me about. My son got one day of in-school suspension for spitting in PE one day.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:09 am to LSUFanHouston
doesn't matter to them as long as they can say they are an A or B rated school
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:10 am to JabarkusRussell
This is why my kid is in private school now.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:12 am to Geaux23
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doesn't matter to them as long as they can say they are an A or B rated school
Right, even though we all know it isn't real.
To me, discipline shouldn't be part of the score.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:14 am to JabarkusRussell
You have to work at a magnet school if you do not want deal with these issues in urban public school education.
Even if the student does not have to test to be accepted, a parent who makes the decision to send their child not to the zoned school and takes the time to sign him/her up for the magnet school will more than likely be on teachers side.
At a regular school, unfortunately many times depending on the teacher's gender/race, it is a crap shoot. Once you contact a parent and that parent takes their child's side over yours.
Game over. Free pass to terrorize you and your class.
Even if the student does not have to test to be accepted, a parent who makes the decision to send their child not to the zoned school and takes the time to sign him/her up for the magnet school will more than likely be on teachers side.
At a regular school, unfortunately many times depending on the teacher's gender/race, it is a crap shoot. Once you contact a parent and that parent takes their child's side over yours.
Game over. Free pass to terrorize you and your class.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:22 am to JabarkusRussell
I think it's more than just class size. Part of the problem starts w/ parents not instilling respect or enacting discipline at home.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:33 am to zatetic
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Public school should be removed. Whatever tax money was spent on it can be put into internet infrastructure and educating via the internet. You would need one big school of teachers basically for the whole country and we'd save a lot of tax payer money on babysitting. If communities want public schools they can pay for them themselves.
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the United States spent approximately $12,800 per student on elementary and secondary education. That is over 35% more than the OECD country average of $9,500. At the post-secondary level, the United States spent approximately $30,000 per student, which was 93% higher than the average of OECD countries ($16,100).
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Students in the United States fare considerably worse than many of their counterparts across the globe in terms of knowledge gained from education. According to data from the Programme for International Student Assessment, 15-year-olds in the U.S. ranked 31st on OECD standardized mathematics tests, and their test scores were far below average in reading and science.
We pay more for far less, and there are idiots who think the problem is funding
The truth is that about 30% of the population don't care at all about education and we are wasting time and money trying.
Now, in California thingshave gone to hell
LINK
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In California, 25 percent of the state’s 6 million students are unable to perform basic reading skills.
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With the lower threshold to graduate and the magic of bogus “credit recovery” classes, the Los Angeles Unified School District grad rate zoomed from 54 to 77 percent practically overnight.
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With such poor readers, it’s hardly surprising that 44 percent of students entering Cal State schools need remediation. The situation in Los Angeles is particularly dire. Fifty-three percent of graduating students received at least one D in the A—G required courses.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:35 am to LSUFanHouston
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You want first graders sitting at home alone for 7 hours being taught via a computer?
That is what their mom and dad are for. I get it, people are going to have to be more responsible for themselves in creating their family, but that's on them. There needs to be other social welfare reforms to prevent more babies equaling more money from the government to coincide with this education reform.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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One or two kids in a classroom can ruin an instructional day for 28 kids, and the schools are scared crapless to do anything about it.
Bingo
Kids who want to learn are punished by the system which focuses on those who are using the system as a babysitting service.
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