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re: Talking about parole - 76 former inmates arrested
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:47 pm to Saltwatersoul04
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:47 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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If they get out and kill just one person it won't be worth any amount of money saved by the state.
How many of the 1800 released had been in jail due to violent offenses? TIA.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 5:48 pm
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:49 pm to TheCaterpillar
Fyi, my calcs are based on the average costs of incarceration of a person at 40k per year which after a quick Google search seems to be a good, albeit conservative estimate. In some states it is 168k per person per year (NYC, 70k in NY state), some around 35k. I figure LA is on the low end but certainly could be higher.
And also didn't add in the days the 76 were out or the other 24 people still out, so it's over 20 million with the low end 40k per inmate estimate.
And also didn't add in the days the 76 were out or the other 24 people still out, so it's over 20 million with the low end 40k per inmate estimate.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:55 pm to Tuscaloosa
One of the crimes listed that the were arrested again for was armed robbery. last time I checked that was a violent offense.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:08 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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One of the crimes listed that the were arrested again for was armed robbery.
I asked about the original offense. How many of those were originally violent offenders?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:10 pm to Tuscaloosa
Who gives a shite what they were originally arrested for their committing violent acts now.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:14 pm to crewdepoo
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76 our of 1900
That’s 4 percent
Wow. Whatever risk assessment tool was used, it clearly worked. You can’t expect a recidivism rate much lower than that.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:16 pm to Willie Stroker
Considering these people were chosen for release I suspect most were for petty drug charges, something that shouldn't even be an arrestable offense to begin with.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:18 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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they get out and kill just one person it won't be worth any amount of money saved by the state.
What if some of the parolees lives are salvaged with this?
Or the wrongly convicted getting to return to their family?
And 3-4% is tough to gauge on the surface... if it’s mostly minor parole violations than it may be as much a knock on the system as anything else. If it’s 76 people arrested on violent offenses it worries me more than a guy having a beer or missing appointments (or the dude that turned himself back in because he didn’t have anywhere to go and no help with a re-entry program).
Surely some are good, some are bad, and there’s no perfect outcome for what to do with all these people
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:21 pm to jbgleason
LOL. This is a joke. What did you expect to happen? You put a bunch of criminals in prison with harder criminals that make their life hell and turn them into harder criminals when they are released back into society. You can't expect these people to be anything different when they don't really have a chance at rehabilitation.
The US penal system is just a money racket. Other than separate criminals from society, it does nothing but turn out harder and tougher criminals.
The US penal system is just a money racket. Other than separate criminals from society, it does nothing but turn out harder and tougher criminals.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:25 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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Who gives a shite what they were originally arrested for their committing violent acts now.
I do. You see I firmly believe that every criminal thats ever been locked up and given parole, should get every single one of his rights restored. After all, he is supposedly a free man. That includes the 2nd Amendment. You see, if an ex con can be trusted with a gun, shouldnt be behind bars. If the govt doesnt think he can be trusted with a gun, that tells me they still believe him to be a danger to society, and he shouldnt be let out.
Profit prisons are a major frick up in this country.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:So that's about five people. Won't make much of a dent.
We can start by releasing the majority of non-violent drug arrests that didn't involve weapons or mass quantities of smuggling across borders
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:29 pm to Willie Stroker
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76 our of 1900
That’s 4 percent
Wow. Whatever risk assessment tool was used, it clearly worked. You can’t expect a recidivism rate much lower than that.
It has been 3 months, revisit this in NOV.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:29 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:It has only been a few months. Risk is often rated at seven and ten years.
Wow. Whatever risk assessment tool was used, it clearly worked. You can’t expect a recidivism rate much lower than that.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:42 pm to jbgleason
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Thanks JBE!
I fricking hate JBE and I can't wait to get rid of him next year but 76 inmates out of 1900 inmates being re-arrested is a good stat.
That's like almost less than 4% right there and honestly a good number for JBE to hang his hat on.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:51 pm to Sentrius
If I remember correctly most of the inmates released were scheduled for parole in the next couple of years. They would have been out soon anyway.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:09 pm to Sentrius
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76 inmates out of 1900 inmates being re-arrested is a good stat.
And shite, getting arrested is not a big deal at all. And I only saw 4 actual crimes listed. I've been arrested several times in my life for minor nothing crap. Traffic violations (expired insurance 10 years ago, driving on a suspended license in college after too many speeding tickets, etc). Half of those 76 could have been arrested for traffic violations etc.
And ftr, I'm a white collar guy that has been making into 6 figures for many years working for large firms for almost 2 decades. A million different ways to get arrested so the government can steal our money these days.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:21 pm to Willie Stroker
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You can’t expect a recidivism rate much lower than that.
The real recidivism rate is 16% when you annualize it.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:30 pm to jbgleason
You mean to tell me that if you take 1900 people who are mostly males and are mostly poor and uneducated that some of them will commit crimes?!? Well frick, thanks JBE this all your fault. Students from Catholic High never commit crimes.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 10:38 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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Who gives a shite what they were originally arrested for their committing violent acts now.
Flawless logic, IMO. Very well stated, will read to my great great grandchildren.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 11:30 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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has already saved Louisiana over $18,000,0000.
Which is somewhere between 350 and eleventy billion
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