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Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:25 am to rocket31
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First, he is of the mindset that every eligible person should be vaccinated—same opinion as my wife’s doctor and my kids’ pediatrician. He said yes it’s true, there have been some people who are vaccinated test positive for Covid; but, the data is still consistent and well within the 95% effective rate of the vaccine. 95% means 1 of every 20 can still get Covid, post vaccine. (Data suggests it’s even less than that). This equally means 19 of every 20 likely won’t. He also said for the 5% that are testing positive, their cases and symptoms are very mild compared to the unvaccinated. He said the ones being admitted to the hospitals in critical condition are the non-vaccinated.
I talked to my PCP (had to get Covid tested) on Thursday 7/29 and he told me the exact same thing. NONE of his vaccinated patients who have contacted COVID have had to be admitted to the hospital, only the unvaccinated ones. The vaccinated ones just stayed home with very mild symptoms and recovered pretty quickly.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:25 am to jimmy the leg
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But it should NOT be mandated. The data simply doesn’t support that option.
Until then, it is a choice
So freedom until the data says no more freedom?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:32 am to jbraua
Sorry to hear about you and your wife dying from micro blood clots accumulating over the next two years.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:34 am to jbraua
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I do think you should strongly consider being vaccinated if you haven’t already (not only for your sake, but your community’s sake.)
Those in my community that want the vaccine can do so. 95% or greater likelihood they will be fine, regardless of what I choose to do with my body.
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First, he is of the mindset that every eligible person should be vaccinated
Of course he is. Most doctors want everyone to take every freaking vaccine that is out there. Doesn't mean anything to me.
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Now, even if that last part is questionable, 95% is still great odds.
So is the 99.89% survival rate for covid (or higher depending on age group and health status before infection).
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Talk to your primary care physician or a doctor you know and can trust.
I have. Actually I have talked to multiple and it is 3:1 do not take the vaccine, too many unknowns.
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A sniffle for you might equal a ventilator for your neighbor.
Sounds like my neighbor should have been vaccinated. How about the message being "If you have co-morbidity factors (fat, breathing issues, diabetes, etc.) get the vaccine.
The reason why it is the sniffles for some and ventilator for others is how people take care of themselves. I don't bike 15+ miles per week, walk 3 miles a day, lift 5 days a week, and eat mostly healthy to then turn around and put foreign chemicals into my body.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:37 am to CamdenTiger
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All our covid patients and deaths for the last 3 weeks have all been vaccinated.
That’s an anomalous report. All of our covid deaths have been unvaccinated. And about 90% of hospitalizations are also unvaccinated.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:38 am to jbraua
Ask your PCP what is the reinfection rate and hospitalization of those not vaccinated vs vaccinated.
THIS IS ALL I WANT KNOW AND ANSWER IS NOWHERE!
THIS IS ALL I WANT KNOW AND ANSWER IS NOWHERE!
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:39 am to Nawlens Gator
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talked to my PCP (had to get Covid tested) on Thursday 7/29 and he told me the exact same thing. NONE of his vaccinated patients who have contacted COVID have had to be admitted to the hospital, only the unvaccinated ones. The vaccinated ones just stayed home with very mild symptoms and recovered pretty quickly.
So who’s lying?
Your doctor or the people on the internet?
Who do you trust more?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:40 am to jbraua
The is probably the most logical and sensible covid-related or vaccine-related post I’ve seen on the OT since covid started.
It should always come down to you and your doctor.
It should always come down to you and your doctor.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:42 am to jbraua
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who is one of the smartest guys I know
Last time that I heard this was when The Big Guy was referring to his son Hunter Biden.
No thanks. I'll take my chances.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:44 am to TDsngumbo
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The is probably the most logical and sensible covid-related or vaccine-related post I’ve seen on the OT since covid started.
For sure…
Yet there are still people here calling the doctor an idiot and has no idea what he’s talking about because someone saw a meme from www.thegovtpopulationcontrol.com
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:47 am to jbraua
Not going to trust the only industry profiting off of this shite
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:47 am to Nawlens Gator
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NONE of his vaccinated patients who have contacted COVID have had to be admitted to the hospital, only the unvaccinated ones.
I am sure this is the case for a lot of doctors but taking a broader look vaccinated people are being hospitalized. From the breakthrough event in Massachusetts that the CDC released their report on yesterday, 4 of the 5 hospitalizations were vaccinated.
I spoke with a local nurse practitioner who said that while the hospitals are filling up they themselves are sending way less people to the hospital regardless of vaccination status than they used to and that serious illness and deaths are way down. And I think this is a point that needs to be reported more...
If you look at the graph of both new cases and deaths and look at the rolling 7 day averages we are doing so much better than we did. Deaths are at 1/4th of what they were when we were seeing similar case numbers. Whether you want to attribute that to the vaccines, or natural immunity, a weaker strain, or a better understanding of the care needed in the hospitals, or a combination of those - it doesn't matter, something is working. But all you hear about is how delta is ravaging us. Not the case.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:48 am to Prominentwon
I will take the Novavax COVID 19 vaccination when it is available.It is based on tried and true technology.
I absolutely WILL NOT take the mRNA vaccine any time soon.Years from now if it is proven to be safe I will take it.
It’s great that you have faith in your Dr. but it sounds to me he is just regurgitating the CDC talking points.
There are some highly educated physicians around the country that are advising against it.
1:Dr.Peter McCollough,former professor at Baylor and Texas A&M has came out against people under 50 with no comorbities taking it,he says it has no protection against the Delta variant.He also also expressed concern about the suppression of treatment options.
2: Dr. Ryan Cole,trained at Mayo Clinic is concerned about the long term safety of the vaccine.
3:Dr. Robert Malone is a virologist and immunologist that was instrumental in the discovery of mRNA (and DNA ) vaccines,he doesn’t believe people should be forced to take it as long term safety is not known..
I am not anti-fax,I have taken all recommended vaccinations over the years,I have taken the flu vaccine at least 25 times.
Since this COVID debacle I have lost all faith in the CDC ,FDA,the government and the medical establishment ,in general.
I graduated nursing school in 1975 and spent 31 years in ICU.Looking back,it is astonishing how many things we learned and were established medical practice were later found to be useless and in some cases harmful.All the Drs.(and I ) believed we were doing the right thing and were later found to be wrong.
I don’t try to impose my feelings about the vaccine on anyone and never mention it (actually try to avoid it) unless I am asked.
My wife’s sister is blind and obviously can’t drive,she wanted the vaccine so I took her to get it and never said a word.Actually, with her co-morbities,it was probably good idea for her,unless the ADE fears turn out to be a thing.
In short,anyone wants to take it be my guest.Me,I’m not going to be part of the experiment.
I absolutely WILL NOT take the mRNA vaccine any time soon.Years from now if it is proven to be safe I will take it.
It’s great that you have faith in your Dr. but it sounds to me he is just regurgitating the CDC talking points.
There are some highly educated physicians around the country that are advising against it.
1:Dr.Peter McCollough,former professor at Baylor and Texas A&M has came out against people under 50 with no comorbities taking it,he says it has no protection against the Delta variant.He also also expressed concern about the suppression of treatment options.
2: Dr. Ryan Cole,trained at Mayo Clinic is concerned about the long term safety of the vaccine.
3:Dr. Robert Malone is a virologist and immunologist that was instrumental in the discovery of mRNA (and DNA ) vaccines,he doesn’t believe people should be forced to take it as long term safety is not known..
I am not anti-fax,I have taken all recommended vaccinations over the years,I have taken the flu vaccine at least 25 times.
Since this COVID debacle I have lost all faith in the CDC ,FDA,the government and the medical establishment ,in general.
I graduated nursing school in 1975 and spent 31 years in ICU.Looking back,it is astonishing how many things we learned and were established medical practice were later found to be useless and in some cases harmful.All the Drs.(and I ) believed we were doing the right thing and were later found to be wrong.
I don’t try to impose my feelings about the vaccine on anyone and never mention it (actually try to avoid it) unless I am asked.
My wife’s sister is blind and obviously can’t drive,she wanted the vaccine so I took her to get it and never said a word.Actually, with her co-morbities,it was probably good idea for her,unless the ADE fears turn out to be a thing.
In short,anyone wants to take it be my guest.Me,I’m not going to be part of the experiment.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:50 am to jbraua
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jbraua
Nobody cares about your opinion.
Chicken - can we get a vaccine board? The daily “muh get your vaccine for your neighbor” threads are obnoxious.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:51 am to jbraua
Thanks jbraua, good post.
The tough part for laymen is to separate the politics from the science, too many people are letting politics make the decision for them, that is a mistake.
I posted before that I just lost someone very close to me from a blood clot. She was a very healthy young women with small children, this was a heartbreaking tragedy.
She had received the J&J vaccine a few weeks before she died, the ME is telling the family that there is a chance it is related.
I believe in an abundance of caution that women of childbearing age should avoid the J&J vaccine and consult their PCP before deciding which, if any, vaccine they should chose.
The tough part for laymen is to separate the politics from the science, too many people are letting politics make the decision for them, that is a mistake.
I posted before that I just lost someone very close to me from a blood clot. She was a very healthy young women with small children, this was a heartbreaking tragedy.
She had received the J&J vaccine a few weeks before she died, the ME is telling the family that there is a chance it is related.
I believe in an abundance of caution that women of childbearing age should avoid the J&J vaccine and consult their PCP before deciding which, if any, vaccine they should chose.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:52 am to jbraua
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(who is one of the smartest guys I know.)
Well, I hate to break the news to you, but hes not
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95% means 1 of every 20 can still get Covid, post vaccine
Then youre going to explain this in your next post:
** Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads -Israeli Health Officials
** In UK, Up to 40% of People Being Admitted to Hospital for COVID Have Been Fully Vaccinated -UK chief science advisor
** Vaccinated people make up 75% of recent COVID-19 cases -Singapore School of Public Health
** 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated -CDC
** 125,682 "breakthrough" cases among the vaccinated in just 38 states -NBCNews
** Israel will immediately begin administering a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine -Israeli Prime Minister
** Over 72% of Iceland’s population is vaccinated, but new cases are 76% vaccinated. -Icelands Chief Epidemiologist
** Vaccinated people infected with 'Delta' variant have same viral levels as the unvaccinated. -CDC
** Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated -NY Times
** Cyprus, where more than 51% of the population is vaccinated, has the highest case counts in the world. -Dr. Joseph Mercola
** One Of The Most Vaccinated Places In The U.S. Now Has A Significant COVID-19 Spike -NPR
** Higher COVID Rate Found In Counties With Highest Vaccination Rate. And What That Says About The Delta Variant -CBS
** 6 People Infected With COVID at Outdoor Houston Wedding of Fully Vaccinated Guests: 1 Death, 2 Hospitalizations -NIH
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:52 am to Beef Supreme
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And I think this is a point that needs to be reported more...
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But all you hear about is how delta is ravaging us. Not the case.
Then why isn’t the outrage directed at the media instead of healthcare workers/doctors?
The media has been getting away Scott free with way more than any organization in the world for the past 4 years. Yet, no one will do anything about it.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:53 am to jbraua
Close the borders
Then I’ll start believing the government when it comes to the dangers of COVID
Then I’ll start believing the government when it comes to the dangers of COVID
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:54 am to RobbBobb
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Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads -Israeli Health Officials
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