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re: Sweden is not under lockdown and is getting hammered by the media.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 9:57 am to StupidBinder
Posted on 4/4/20 at 9:57 am to StupidBinder
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You seem to think Sweden isn’t doing anything. They gave recommended restrictions on gathering sizes and other social interactions. They’re not just “business as usual “
The difference is that Swedes trust their government way more than we do, so they follow the recommendations. No need for lockdowns.
Here, people will gather for Mardi Gras, spring break and church just to tell the government to go to hell.
This. My company office is based in Sweden, and they ARE on lockdown. Friday they moved to a four day work week, with 6 hours per day working, for all companies in Sweden. The govt is subsidizing that difference.
Everyone else has been working from home for two weeks now, and schools have been closed for two as well.
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 9:58 am to JoeHackett
Looking at that site it looks like Sweden has more deaths per capita and higher rate of case growth than we do.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:00 am to cwil177
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Looking at that site it looks like Sweden has more deaths per capita and higher rate of case growth than we do.
Which I would think is generally going to be true for awhile if you're trying a measured herd immunity strategy. I don't think they've gone balls to wall like the UK was contemplating though.
We will see what the score is at the end if they keep doing this. That score would necessarily include economic impact.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:03 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:01 am to Anaximander
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Per capita, Sweden, has about half the Covid-19 cases as neighboring Norway and Denmark
It's always interesting to dig into the data.
Cases per million population:
Sweden - 638
Norway - 1,018
Denmark - 704
But - tests per million population:
Sweden - 3,654
Norway - 19,528
Denmark - 7,055
Sweden is testing a lot less than the other two, especially Norway.
Most importantly:
Deaths per million population
Sweden - 37
Norway - 11
Denmark - 28
The Sweden narrative seems to be everywhere and is pretty lame. They just aren't testing as much. It's very early days so it WILL be interesting to see where this goes, but for now they have the highest death rate.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:08 am to Anaximander
I work with a dude from Sweden and he says it's a horrible place. He hates it. It unbearably cold. According to him, the people live in a socialist environment and for so long that they learn'ed to complete depend on the government and not on each other. A weird dynamic from this has occurred where they don't even really speak to each other because the value of a relationship or network has gone away.
No reason to get to know other because you don't need the value of others, plus again, it's too cold to talk.
That's exactly how he's described it to me. And he's an introvert, a liberal, and I suspect strongly suspect he's gay.
That's the only Swedish guy i know. That's all I have to add to this converation. I've been trying to get a picture of his sister or mother but have so far been unsuccessful
No reason to get to know other because you don't need the value of others, plus again, it's too cold to talk.
That's exactly how he's described it to me. And he's an introvert, a liberal, and I suspect strongly suspect he's gay.
That's the only Swedish guy i know. That's all I have to add to this converation. I've been trying to get a picture of his sister or mother but have so far been unsuccessful
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:09 am to biscuitsngravy
Looks to me like Sweden said "Eff it" and are willing to accept slighty higher short-term infection and mortality rates to just get it over with.
Way less impact on the economy plus a higher herd immunity in exchange for a few extra deaths.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:12 am to msutiger
As much of you hate this country and it's people we are much cleaner than dirty europe
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:17 am to supadave3
quote:Is your friend Bernie Sanders?
According to him, the people live in a socialist environment and for so long that they learn'ed to complete depend on the government and not on each other.
Sweden has the following socialist elements: Universal healthcare, free tuition (with stricter admission standards that the US), and strong paid vacation laws.
Sweden has the following non-socialist elements:
Privatized social security (partially)
Pure school choice (voucher system)
Low corporate taxes
High taxes on the poor (VAT)
It is likely more free market than the US.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:24 am to Tigris
Only metric that really matters is deaths per million. I do not care about “testing results” because there is so much variance in prevalence of testing from country to country.
Testing is helpful for the researchers that want to study this one day and understand the actual death rate. Testing that isn’t inclusive of asymptomatic people is useless in understanding actual viral spread.
Testing is helpful for the researchers that want to study this one day and understand the actual death rate. Testing that isn’t inclusive of asymptomatic people is useless in understanding actual viral spread.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:48 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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is likely more free market than the US.
It is.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:48 am to Nado Jenkins83
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This post was edited on 4/3/23 at 3:30 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:50 am to Anaximander
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Are they afraid the Swedish plan may expose how much of a waste the lock downs may have been on other countries?
yes they are and yes it is doing just that
the virus is real, the contagious nature of it is real, but the amount of deaths and the world wide shutdown is all BS in that its not helping at all to lock yourself in the house and ruin your countries economy
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:07 am to StupidBinder
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Here, people will gather for Mardi Gras, spring break and church just to tell the government to go to hell.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:12 am to Anaximander
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Per capita, Sweden, has about half the Covid-19 cases as neighboring Norway and Denmark
What does their testing look like compared to Norway and Denmark?
Edit: I see that was answered above. As I suspected.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:13 am to Anaximander
Sweden is what 85%-90%+ Caucasian? I think they'll be fine.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:38 am to Anaximander
I think you keep missing the word "not" in your posts.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:51 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Sweden has the following socialist elements: Universal healthcare, free tuition (with stricter admission standards that the US), and strong paid vacation laws.
Sweden has the following non-socialist elements:
Privatized social security (partially)
Pure school choice (voucher system)
Low corporate taxes
High taxes on the poor (VAT)
It is likely more free market than the US.
Sweden also has MASSIVE government funding for artists/scholars/scientists.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:40 pm to Pintail
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Yes, but JBE asked for 12,000. Talk about an exaggeration
I wasn't talking about JBE. I'm just talking about the situation as a whole.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:15 pm to Anaximander
Sweden has one of the highest corona death rates per million people.
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