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Study: US students start the school day way too early- does more harm than good

Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:15 pm
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Most teenagers in the United States start the school day too early each morning, robbing them of the sleep they need to concentrate properly and remain healthy, according to a study published Thursday.

Fewer than one in five middle and high schools in the United States start at 8:30 am or later, as recommended, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


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Research from the American Academy of Pediatrics has found that adolescents are biologically programmed to stay asleep longer than adults. Depriving teens of that sleep could wreak havoc on their academic performance, the CDC said in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

An estimated two out of three U.S. students are sleep-deprived, according to a 2013 CDC study. In 2014, the AAP urged secondary schools not to begin classes until 8:30 am to give teens the 8.5 to 9.5 hours of nightly sleep they need. But only 17.7 per cent of U.S. high schools actually start at the recommended hour.


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Many parents have urged schools to delay start times, but administrators often refused, arguing that after-school extra-curricular activities would be too hard to organize.


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That last paragraph bothers me

While kids from Japan and Germany are becoming the world's best engineers, little Johnny is falling behind because god damn it, soccer practice is more valuable than physics, algebra, and critical reading skills....

It's very peculiar how much more stock American parents put in "extracurricular" activities than Japanese, German, and Chinese parents.

What is better for our nation in the long run? Hans from Hamburg kicking Johnny's arse in calculus and physics, or Johnny kicking Hans's arse in knowing how to kick a field goal?

I'm not saying our kid's shouldn't do ANY extracurricular activities, I just think the balance needs to change. In my view, sports play too large a role in grades 7-12.
Posted by Paige
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:16 pm to
They've been saying this for years
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:17 pm to
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It's very peculiar how much more stock American parents put in "extracurricular" activities than Japanese, German, and Chinese parents.


Johnny is an all star on the debate team...sounds better if its baseball
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:19 pm to
Yeah but we kick their arse in the Olympics!
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74745 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:19 pm to
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They've been saying this for years
And nothing is getting done to fix it... our loss long term.

Hans, Ganesh, Bojing, Matthias are getting the skills they need...are our children?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33920 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:19 pm to
I agree that schools should move back their start times. Also should assign less homework. At Catholic I would start at 7:20, be in school til 2:45, get out and go to practice, get home from practice at 5:30, eat dinner, then start homework at 6:30 and keep going til 10:30-11. I never got 8 hours of sleep

I was in AP/Honors classes so that may have been part of the problem
Posted by saint amant steve
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Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Most teenagers in the United States start the school day too early each morning, robbing them of the sleep they need to concentrate properly and remain healthy, according to a study published Thursday.


quote:

Research from the American Academy of Pediatrics has found that adolescents are biologically programmed to stay asleep longer than adults. Depriving teens of that sleep could wreak havoc on their academic performance, the CDC said in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.


Step 1: Go to sleep earlier.
Step 2: Wake up fully rested and ready to learn.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21084 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:21 pm to
My wife's K-3 school has a tardy bell at 7:10am. Her students have to get up before 6am if they want to eat breakfast, be presentable, and catch the bus.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33920 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:22 pm to
Teenagers also have a different circadian rhythm than adults do, aka their sleeping schedules are programmed differently, they're programmed to go to bed later and wake up later
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15402 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:23 pm to
We as a country put WAY too much emphasis on athletics over academics. I see a huge number of parents spending thousands of $$ and running themselves ragged to keep their average 8 year old in fricking travel ball. Meanwhile they would never consider sending that same kid to an academic camp like Space Camp or extra summer academic courses to help hone their skills for an academic scholarship.

It's pretty fricked up. But hey, your kid will work for mine one day. I'll make sure my kids pay your kids fairly for being able to drink beer and tell awesome high school home run stories.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 8:24 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74745 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:23 pm to
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I was in AP/Honors classes so that may have been part of the problem
I was too and I remember my last two years of high school I had to take a "zero-period" class that started at 6:20 in the morning. AP students, many of whom also do sports and other things after school, simply don't have the time to go to bed early.
Posted by Ellssu
Spying North of the Border
Member since Dec 2006
2478 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:29 pm to
As a Chemistry and Physics teacher homework is a required tool for me to understand whether or not they get it. If they don't, then i need to make decisions on whether it is me or them. If i wait until the test it is to late.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Member since Mar 2010
27513 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:30 pm to
I'll never understand this board. Don't get me wrong, I hated having to get up early for school, and I can understand its effects.

But if this thread were about the loss of athletic programs due to time constraints, this board would be blasting "pussification of America!!!"
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26131 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:31 pm to
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Fewer than one in five middle and high schools in the United States start at 8:30 am or later, as recommended, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


So this is what the CDC is busy doing?
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
61350 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:32 pm to
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Many parents have urged schools to delay start times, but administrators often refused, arguing that after-school extra-curricular activities would be too hard to organize.


The author of this sentence must be sleep deprived. That is horribly worded.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:32 pm to
You had 4 hours of hw every night? I don't think I ever did that even once.
Posted by LaBornNRaised
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:34 pm to
The paragraph you bolded has more to do with teachers wanting to be home early rather than stay late and cover there extra curricular activities as part of their teaching contract.
Posted by lsutiger2010
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:36 pm to
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Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33920 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:39 pm to
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LNCHBOX

At Catholic? What class are you? And were you in AP? My friends in regular had nowhere near the amount of crap I had
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13581 posts
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:41 pm to
It probably has more to do with standard 8-5 working hours. Many parents these days have both working. It would suck to have school start past 8:00 when mom and dad have to be at the office at 8:00 or earlier. I drop mine off at 7:30 (carpool dropoff begins at 7:20) and then drive to work. I think carpool ends at 7:45 and students are in their classes at 7:50. If you are in the line for dropoff and it is past 7:45, the teachers all go inside and you have to park, go in, and check your child in.

Traffic in the mornings around here is bad enough without adding another 30 minutes to rush hour for school dropoffs. And for some reason we are one of the few suburbs of Birmingham that doesn't have bus routes. Yeah it would be nice to have mine board the bus, but that just isn't an option here.

Get them to bed at a decent hour and they can get at least 8 hours of sleep. Mine is in bed at 8:30 to 9:00 most nights. Asleep by 9:30 at the latest and I wake her up at 6:30. That's 9 hours for my 7 year old.
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