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re: Study retracted involving Hydroxyqloroquine.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:55 am to PureBlood
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:55 am to PureBlood
Wait wtf?
This happened in june 2020 as well with an article in the Lancet: LINK
Is this a second paper being retracted?
Yep, apparently its an entirely different article: LINK
Editors Note:
This happened in june 2020 as well with an article in the Lancet: LINK
Is this a second paper being retracted?
Yep, apparently its an entirely different article: LINK
Editors Note:
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This article has been retracted: please see Elsevier Policy on Article Withdrawal (LINK ).
Following publication, the Journal was made aware of readers' debate about this article. The Journal received a number of Letters to the Editor and correspondence from readers. The plan, as published in an early version of an Editor's Note, was initially to publish these Letters to the Editor, after the Authors of the above article had been given the right to reply and submit a response (which would also be published, after review).
After assessing all the information at this stage, and the extent and depth of the criticism, the Editor-in-Chief made the decision to change approach and handle this matter through the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) process for corrections to the scientific record: LINK /.
Upon completion of this process, and following careful consideration of all available information, this article has been retracted at the request of the Editor-in-Chief.
The decision to retract was made due to two major issues.
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Reliability of the data and choice of the data. The Belgian dataset in particular was found to be unreliable, based on estimates.
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The assumption that all patients that entered the clinic were being treated the same pharmacologically was incorrect.
The above two issues meant that the Editor-in-Chief found the conclusions of the article to be unreliable and therefore the article needed to be retracted.
Update September 2024
The Journal wishes to clarify that at no point did the investigation find evidence of fraud in the article, and instead believe it was honest error on the part of the authors.
The authors were responsive to the Journal’s correspondence and engaged with the process throughout. The authors do not agree with the retraction and dispute the grounds for it.
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:56 am to PureBlood
Trust the experts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:58 pm to PureBlood
be better, elsevier
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:20 pm to PureBlood
There was a doctor who had decades of experience applying Hydroxy to fight lupus.
They brought him to congress to testify within a week the left had destroyed him for simply saying it was safe and effective to treat inflammatory conditions, including rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile idiopathic arthritis and lupus.
He did not say anything about Covid, but some other doctors had seen some success in treating Covid with it if applied early.
Trump pointed this out in an interview that they were trying this with some positive results.
The next day the USAid media reported that Trump said to drink bleach.
They brought him to congress to testify within a week the left had destroyed him for simply saying it was safe and effective to treat inflammatory conditions, including rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile idiopathic arthritis and lupus.
He did not say anything about Covid, but some other doctors had seen some success in treating Covid with it if applied early.
Trump pointed this out in an interview that they were trying this with some positive results.
The next day the USAid media reported that Trump said to drink bleach.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:29 pm to winkchance
Libtard BIL,was running his mouth about hydroxychloroquine being dangerous drug.I asked him if he ever heard of Plaquenil.He says yeah,he takes it for arthritis,been on it a few years.
He was at a loss for words,when I told him hydroxychloroquine was generiic name for Plaquenil.
He was at a loss for words,when I told him hydroxychloroquine was generiic name for Plaquenil.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:39 pm to TigerDeacon
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Just my anecdotal experience: Got covid on September or October, 2020, worst sore throat of my life. My doctor prescribed hydroxychloroquine and my symptoms stopped immediately. Doctor made me come back and retest since I got better so quickly. Still tested positive for about a week later but had no symptoms at all.
Amazing that I got three down votes from this. This was before it was banned and I was following a course of treatment prescribed by my physician. I had a positive outcome and yet some on here still hate that.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:42 pm to TigerDeacon
It’s also amazing that none of the “moderates” in the vaccine ban thread are posting in this one
Makes ya think
Makes ya think
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:47 pm to PureBlood
Wait, people actually believed that HCQ was harmful???
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:48 pm to Sun God
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It’s also amazing that none of the “moderates” in the vaccine ban thread are posting in this one
Have these threads had a visit from the foremost authority on viruses yet?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:49 pm to LSUA 75
LSU A 75 I bet your BIL is going crazy over DOGE . Watching the liberals losing their minds brings me great joy. And I’ve been on this drug for years even before Covid and I never had any problems that could be associated with it.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:57 pm to PureBlood
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If tweet fails to load, click here. This reply in your X thread is very telling... This guy alleges the study was intentionally using dosages far higher than the safety threshold (which had been long established, I believe). The predictable results were that HCQ suddenly appeared unsafe and could be smeared in the media.
I haven't looked into this myself and it's beyond my expertise in any case. But I've noticed this tactic being employed in other studies which have sought to undermine the credibility of valid treatments. Invariably, money is behind such studies, just as it has it always has been in modern times... going back at a minimum to studies that the tobacco industry used to sponsor to make their products seem unrelated to health issues.
On this particular topic (COVID-19), I recall one study denigrating ivermectin was posted here maybe two years ago. I ended up looking at the study... and right away saw it was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (big investors in vaccines... worth mentioning this for those living under a rock). This calls the study's objectivity into question. I don't recall the exact issues I saw, but IIRC it may have been along the lines of the study looking disproportionately at high risk people with secondary issues like diabetes, heart disease, etc., and declaring the modest benefit of ivermectin wasn't enough to stop some high risk people from dying. This wasn't necessarily dishonest, but it became dishonest when the experts and the media used this flawed, partial study into a blanket indictment of ivermectin as a treatment without value. The media went out of their way to avoid positive press for ivermectin, like how the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh used low dosages of ivermectin as a prophylactic for all members of households that had a positive covid test. The result of this action reduced positive cases of covid to nearly zero; in comparison, neighboring Indian states that did not take this action and relied on vaccines maintained high levels of positive covid cases throughout the same time period.
I'm not interested in rehashing this as an "I told you so!" But I do hope bringing this topic up encourages more thoughtfulness and awareness, and leads to more people taking responsibility for their own health, and to not just lazily give in to the narrative of supposed experts who often have a bias.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:17 pm to epbart
When the controversy about hydroxychloroquine first came up Dr.Marc Siegel (Fox,News Dr.)was on Hannity show.He told the experience of his 90
something year old,father with Covid.Dr Siegel started him on hydroxychloroquine early on and got well quickly.
POS Dr. Sanjay Gupta (CNN Dr.) was bashing hydroxychloroquine as being very dangerous ,he would never prescribe it.He is a board certified neurosurgeon,he should be ashamed of having so little integrity.
Likewise the President of the AMA was on news talking about what a dangerous drug it was.She was a female Psychiatrist,don’t remember name.
I can’t comprehend Drs.so blatantly lying in public when they had to know that Drs.all over the country knew they were lying.
something year old,father with Covid.Dr Siegel started him on hydroxychloroquine early on and got well quickly.
POS Dr. Sanjay Gupta (CNN Dr.) was bashing hydroxychloroquine as being very dangerous ,he would never prescribe it.He is a board certified neurosurgeon,he should be ashamed of having so little integrity.
Likewise the President of the AMA was on news talking about what a dangerous drug it was.She was a female Psychiatrist,don’t remember name.
I can’t comprehend Drs.so blatantly lying in public when they had to know that Drs.all over the country knew they were lying.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:38 pm to LSUA 75
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He was at a loss for words,when I told him hydroxychloroquine was generiic name for Plaquenil.
Wife takes it for same reasons as your BIL. She worked C19 ICU the entire time, she still hasn’t come down with it yet.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:44 pm to PureBlood
I thought I was supposed to “breathe and swallow bleach!”
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:46 pm to PureBlood
Why do so many of these nuts use that siren emoji?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:35 pm to PureBlood
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Hydroxyqloroquine.
Cured my Peyronie’s
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:27 pm to PureBlood
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At the end of the day, 2 of these pills cost approx .06c a dose to produce while the Fauci pill, Remsdivir, was close to $1k. This was highlighted several times, but the OT dumbasses called us conspiracy theorist and shunned us from society because we wouldnt comply
See this is the thing? Highlighted by who? You are calling people idiots because they didn't just blindly listen to people on a message board or social media?
That was the disconnect. Some random person tells me "hey don't go take the vaccine. If you get Covid take this horse dewormer". And I am the idiot because I didn't listen to you? Who the frick are you? (I mean this in general).
And then you hear other people saying it and everyone is using the same buzzwords as if they are just repeating what someone else said. I am aware of how vaccines work, but I am not familar with how dewormers work in the human body. Just because they didn't teach about how horse dewormers work in the human body in Biology class, I didn't even know it was something that humans can take.
I took the vaccine in April of 2021, it was the one you took and then had to go back a few weeks later, but then when they started saying "you now have to get a booster shot" I wasn't chasing all that shite because... depending on how fast the virus evolved, there was likely going to have multiple boosters (since it had evolved by the time the vaccines came out),
Despite taking the vaccine, I am still here. And its out of my system (a vaccine exposes your body to the virus so that your body can protect itself so the virus that is put into you to activate your immune system is out of your body within several days... which is why I don't get the who "vaccines cause autism" thing. So if a vaccine causes autism the virus would also cause autism rght?)..
But I didn't get Covid until the beginning of this year. I was feeling really bad for several days, went to the doctor and I wasn't even thinking Covid... I was tested for it, Flu and Pneumonia (well took an xray) and I tested positive for Covid, which my doctor told me I had to just let run its course. In order to really treat it you have to start taking paxlovid the day you get Covid and if someone is at the doctor and test positive for it, by that time its too late. In not so many words, she said paxlovid is worthless (that's what my doctor said, don't take what I post as solid medical advice).
But too my point. Its just funny because its easy to tell the people (from both sides) who listen to the same shite. The same buzzwords are used, its like a bunch of robots all repeating the same shite. Half are saying one thing and the other half is saying something else and they all thing you are an idiot if you do the opposite of what they believe.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:03 pm to Gifman
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Remsdivir,
Don't you mean, Run, death is near!
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:43 pm to TigerDeacon
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My doctor prescribed hydroxychloroquine and my symptoms stopped immediately.
Japan gave everyone Ivermectin and had no problems with Covid
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