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re: Study: MRNA Vaccines Increase Risk of Contracting COVID-19; Each Booster Shot Raises Risk
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:22 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:22 pm to WeeWee
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How are we supposed to know the 6 month effectiveness of a vaccine that has only been used for 4 months?
Because previous CoVID vaccinations and boosters had a drop to 10-20% effectiveness after six months, this bivalent vaccine would not be expected to be any different.
You do think that the 30% would hold or get better over time?
The importance of the hazard ratio depends on the hazard itself… currently CoVID deaths and hospitalizations have dropped significantly… so if the hazard is as severe as a cold… what purpose would the hazard ratio serve?
A 30% effectiveness is 30% regardless of how you want to spin it… 30% effectiveness = 70% ineffectiveness
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 4:36 pm
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:29 pm to Powerman
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I'm saying anti vax people are probably not likely to get tested unless they have severe symptoms or are very high risk with milder symptoms
So… if people have mild symptoms, why should they worry if they have CoVID or not? What difference would it make if they test or not? What difference would it make if they are vaccinated or not?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:30 pm to Lokistale
quote:What do any of those questions have to do what what you quoted in relation to this study?
So… if people have mild symptoms, why should they worry if they have CoVID or not? What difference would it make if they test or not? What difference would it make if they are vaccinated or not?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:34 pm to Lokistale
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So… if people have mild symptoms, why should they worry if they have CoVID or not? What difference would it make if they test or not? What difference would it make if they are vaccinated or not?
Some people might fear they have COVID even with mild symptoms and would want to know so as not to infect others who might have a different bodily reacion.
And the type of people that think like this are certainly more in the vaxxed crowd than in the anti vax crowd. It's not tough to realize that. Hell based on the statement you just made it pretty much proves it.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:39 pm to Powerman
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I'm saying anti vax people are probably not likely to get tested unless they have severe symptoms or are very high risk with milder symptoms
And?
They got a study with the required sample size of un-vaxxed, 1 dose, 2 dose, and 3 dose. Did they not?
For all we know these un-vaxxed who are "not likely" got tested could have, you know, not gotten covid repeatedly like the study suggests.......
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:44 pm to Powerman
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Some people might fear they have COVID even with mild symptoms and would want to know so as not to infect others who might have a different bodily reacion.
Key word is fear.
So are you suggesting that every time anyone has any respiratory symptoms (cough, running nose, sore throat) they should be obligated to test themselves because they may risk transmitting possible CoVID to some stranger who may have risk factors of severe CoVID?
So let’s all just return to the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, virtual learning… can’t risk transmitting CoVID to anyone because the vaccines, as acknowledged by the CDC, do not prevent infection or transmission!!
For someone named ‘Powerman’ you sure are a scarily cat…
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:51 pm to Powerman
Why do some people twist themselves into knots trying to defend a vaccine that’s inarguably missed on virtually all of its stated benefits? The best it’s own manufacturers can say about it, at present, is that it may lessen symptom severity.
Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. You’re right about this being political, but you have chosen a side and are being every bit as inflexible and closed minded as the people you are judging.
Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. You’re right about this being political, but you have chosen a side and are being every bit as inflexible and closed minded as the people you are judging.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:54 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:That's the entire point you're missing
For all we know these un-vaxxed who are "not likely" got tested could have, you know, not gotten covid repeatedly like the study suggests.......
They could have gotten Covid but never tested. Do you not now realize how that would affect the study?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:55 pm to Lokistale
quote:No, he's suggesting if you're going to do a study, you should be able to account and control for this.
So are you suggesting that every time anyone has any respiratory symptoms (cough, running nose, sore throat) they should be obligated to test themselves because they may risk transmitting possible CoVID to some stranger who may have risk factors of severe CoVID?
It's wild that a few of you keep whiffing on that.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:57 pm to shel311
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o, he's suggesting if you're going to do a study, you should be able to account and control for this.
Control for what? exactly?
Un-vaxxed is/= unvaxxed.
Are you suggesting unvaxxed without care somehow means a different version of unvaxxed?
All you need to do is just get a large enough sample of unvaxxed. Which they did.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:59 pm to Lokistale
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So are you suggesting that every time anyone has any respiratory symptoms (cough, running nose, sore throat) they should be obligated to test themselves because they may risk transmitting possible CoVID to some stranger who may have risk factors of severe CoVID?
No
I'm saying the type of person likely to do that is much more likely to be vaccinated as opposed to unvaccinated. There is a 0% chance that you disagree with me on that.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:06 pm to Powerman
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I'm saying the type of person likely to do that is much more likely to be vaccinated as opposed to unvaccinated.
Except if you read the first few sentences of the study: the people in this study are all employees of the Cleveland Clinic, not people off the street. Vaccinated or unvaccinated, hospital employees are regularly tested for CoVID if they exhibited any symptoms.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:07 pm to Lokistale
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Except if you read the first few sentences of the study: the people in this study are all employees of the Cleveland Clinic, not people off the street. Vaccinated or unvaccinated, hospital employees are regularly tested for CoVID if they exhibited any symptoms.
So then that is probably even better than randos from the street as they are clearly more exposed.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:12 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:Again?
Control for what? exactly?
OK again...
quote:
who do you think is more likely to be tested in general with the same general starting symptoms: Someone who has had 4 boosters, or someone who is unvaccinated?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:13 pm to Lokistale
quote:You'll have to take that up with the people who did the study because they disagree with you and have said as much.
Except if you read the first few sentences of the study: the people in this study are all employees of the Cleveland Clinic, not people off the street. Vaccinated or unvaccinated, hospital employees are regularly tested for CoVID if they exhibited any symptoms.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:13 pm to shel311
It doesnt matter if your sample of unvaxxed is large enough.
Hurry, write them a letter so they can redo the study!
Hurry, write them a letter so they can redo the study!
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:16 pm to shel311
Certain people are pointing out suppositions and missteps that any researcher from somewhere as prestigious as the CC rather obviously wouldn’t have missed in a thousand years.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:18 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:Funny you say this without realizing they confirmed they agree with me and not you
Hurry, write them a letter so they can redo the study!
quote:You definitely have no idea the very obvious point that is being made here lol.
It doesnt matter if your sample of unvaxxed is large enough
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:19 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Like the ones they admitted in the actual study that likely skews the data?
Certain people are pointing out suppositions and missteps that any researcher from somewhere as prestigious as the CC rather obviously wouldn’t have missed in a thousand years.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:21 pm to shel311
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Like the ones they admitted in the actual study that likely skews the data?
I just did a search. Skew/skews/skewed is not mentioned at all.. Zero results.
To what are you referring to?
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