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re: Students are increasingly refusing to go to school. It’s becoming a mental health crisis.

Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
30832 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:23 pm to
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After letting kids go to "school" on a laptop in their pajamas for two years with zero consequences if they fail, they now no longer want to sit in a classroom and, you know.... try.



If I can expound upon this, my two boys would have their "school work" done before Noon and were free to spend the rest of their day as they please during the "GLOBAL PANDEMIC!!!!" So it was a bit of a shock and bewildering for them to have to return to leaving for school at 7:30a then get home at 4:30p and have some homework on top of that.
Posted by bknight00
East of the Rockies
Member since Aug 2007
521 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:27 pm to
My wife is an elementary school teacher and by far the biggest problem with the public education system is the public. The education system needs work, but as long as parents allow their children to act like entitled brats or feral savages and refuse to discipline them, then we will continue to get these results. Good teachers are leaving not only due to poor pay, but also having to deal with entitled parents who are raising a soon to be generation of complete shitheads.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57861 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:32 pm to
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After letting kids go to "school" on a laptop in their pajamas for two years with zero consequences if they fail, they now no longer want to sit in a classroom and, you know.... try.
one of the worst things about Covid is how it became a blanket excuse for all societal issues, thus preventing any sort of deeper introspection.

People act like everything was great in 2019. It wasn’t.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 11:28 pm
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
61643 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 11:21 pm to
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about," said Demsky, whose son declined to be interviewed by USA TODAY but gave his mother permission to share their story. "It's very scary and parents feel a sense of helplessness." The two continued to struggle with school avoidance for four years with little guidance. In 2014, she created a website to offer families the help and support she couldn't find. The site eventually turned into the School Avoidance Alliance, which spreads awareness and educates learning facilities and families of school avoidant children.


Ummmm maybe they should.....idk......have their asswhipped unless they go to school? That's how it worked when I was a kid and you know what, way more kids went to school! Imagine that

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School Avoidance Alliance estimate 5% to 28% of students in the country exhibit school avoidant behaviors at some point in their lives.


Jesus fricking Christ, how the hell is there an organization for this? And why in the frick do we continue to over and over again trust statistics from organizations whose existence depends on those issues existing? They are always higher according to those orgs for some strange reason.....
Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
21349 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 11:22 pm to
I remember back in the day if kids didn’t go to school, the parents got thrown in jail
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 11:23 pm
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 11:25 pm to
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 "It's very scary and parents feel a sense of helplessness


1. How about you slap the shite out of them?

2. Alternatively, Put their asses to work on a farm breaking their back with Gutierrez from across the border who will tell them all day they're a dumb frick for not being in school.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 11:29 pm
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27852 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 11:45 pm to
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it has become a crisis that has gotten worse since the COVID-19 pandemic.


No shite?

We gave kids a free ride. I understand Spring of 2020 was lost, but the following year was a joke. If I remember correctly, my district didn’t require 100% students to be in classrooms until Fall of 2022.

The mask issue is still crazy to me. I have kids this year, 3 years post breakout, that have not shown their faces. They don’t socially distance, but the mask is on. One child in particular has grown his hair out to the point where I cannot see his eyes. Combined with the mask, I haven’t seen his face for a good 5-6 months.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 11:46 pm
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
24619 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:16 am to
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It is high time that we re-tooled our education system.


nah, it’s perfectly reasonable to expect 15 year old boys to sit in a desk for 8 hours a day
Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
69224 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:43 am to
This is why I love the OT.

The OT: “our school systems are so beyond fricked up”

“Those kids who refuse to go to school should get beaten”

Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10655 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:54 am to
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nah, it’s perfectly reasonable to expect 15 year old boys to sit in a desk for 8 hours a day


Its probably unreasonable to expect them to do it willingly, but its certainly reasonable to make them do it. If parents and teachers would go back to accepting its an antagonistic relationship, its cuts thru the bullshite and sets the rules of engagement.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
19825 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 5:32 am to
I had at least a dozen students this year with 20+ absences each semester. One student had 47 absences in spring alone.

it’s easy to see how this developed:

1) Students are allowed to make up just about anything they want at any point once they get on SST. There’s no stigma or record of being on SST. It’s not like having an IEP.

2) Admins don’t want to deal with the headache of reporting truancy issues.
Posted by 427Nova
Member since Sep 2022
1722 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:38 am to
My sister has people with 45 days absent in one semester and they make up all their work on computer and pass. It’s a freaking joke. The admins make her let them make it up at home and online. Why come to school?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:40 am to
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The OT: “our school systems are so beyond fricked up”

“Those kids who refuse to go to school should get beaten”


Lots of people here can't understand cause/effect.

Schools socialize kids into dysfunctional lifestyles.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
57493 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:41 am to
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My wife is a teacher and they have little shits at her school with “Oppositional defiant disorder” and they have to give them “accommodations” because of it. So basically the kid is an a-hole who the parents let get away with it then make it known to the school that the little a-hole has to get special treatment


Complete BS, and more and more are being diagnosed with this “disability” yearly. No matter how much nonsense jargon is created by the system, the message to the student is “no matter what you’re asked or told to do, you don’t have to do it if you don’t want to”. That message is ingrained and carried into adulthood. They become holy terrors at school, and you can’t really do anything about it. The parent gets a sweet SSI check, and the other leeches learn it and game the system until the next faux disability (the subject of this thread) is created. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:44 am to
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My sister has people with 45 days absent in one semester and they make up all their work on computer and pass. It’s a freaking joke


It was that way at the alternative school I taught.

They could not turn in work for 6 weeks, and do some makeup work at the last second to cover all of that missed work.

It was a fricking joke. Kids learned nothing except the system can easily be manipulated.
Posted by 427Nova
Member since Sep 2022
1722 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:47 am to
Not fair to kids who come to school and take test under the teacher. They can’t cheat. At home they cheat on all the test they make up. No way to stop it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:49 am to
Correct. BUt communism isnt set up to help the winners. Its set up in order to destroy the successful and give the spoils to the loser.

The focus of progressivism is the ne'er do well.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53263 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:52 am to
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it’s perfectly reasonable to expect 15 year old boys to sit in a desk for 8 hours a day


They don't sit at a desk for 8 hours a day.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21480 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:56 am to
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How bout we retool parenting kids and quit pandering to them? Kick them in their asses and make them do things. Especially things they don’t like. Worked for millions of kids before these.


A big part of this problem is the teachers and schools are enabling the behavior too. I got a text from my kids teacher a few weeks ago that my some was basically playing sick, school nurse sent him back to class. He also got probably 10-15 notes this year that he was getting up and not doing his work.

My point is that the schools are now involving parents in enforcing their rules in a way that hadn’t been done in the past. I think this can go one of two ways at home: parents either enable it and give in or wind up lecturing/disciplining their kids for things they do at school. If everything flows through parents, some are inevitably going to give in. Over time, the schools have lost the ability to enforce their own rules

I agree with the quotes post, but my personal experience is fatigue in trying to correct behavior that I wasn’t even there to see, and I think it dilutes my ability to discipline when I feel it is timely. Now making sure your kid goes to school is absolutely a parents responsibility, I just don’t want to hear about every time he doesn’t want to be there.

As far as school avoidance goes, school isn’t for everyone. We need to embrace more skill based learning for those that struggle with memory based learning.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7308 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:57 am to
Stories like this have me reconsidering my opinions on abortion
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