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re: St.George haters getting caught in lies again
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am to SlackMaster
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am to SlackMaster
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No, not cops and firemen. But yes for city-parish workers and school officials. My point is that this is not in the budget.
Take schools out of the equation now. That would be the obligation of a new ISD.
But legacy costs are included in the SG budget. They have it pegged at 4 million dollars.
ETA link
LINK
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:29 am
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:11 am to doubleb
Thanks for the link. Specifically -
s. Legacy/Retirement Costs would be paid directly to the City of Baton Rouge to cover ongoing costs and accumulated obligations to current and former employees. This amount consists of approximately $600,000 in retirement expenses for Constitutional Offices and an estimate of $3,400,000 in Post Retirement obligations accumulated on Parish-wide employees (non-city). The majority of these obligations relates to Police and Fire and, therefore, would not carry forward to the City of St. George. Other Post- Retirement obligations are obligations to retirees and current employees to pay health insurance premiums upon retirement. These would potentially carry to the City of St. George as the obligations exist based on services already provided by Parish employees.
s. Legacy/Retirement Costs would be paid directly to the City of Baton Rouge to cover ongoing costs and accumulated obligations to current and former employees. This amount consists of approximately $600,000 in retirement expenses for Constitutional Offices and an estimate of $3,400,000 in Post Retirement obligations accumulated on Parish-wide employees (non-city). The majority of these obligations relates to Police and Fire and, therefore, would not carry forward to the City of St. George. Other Post- Retirement obligations are obligations to retirees and current employees to pay health insurance premiums upon retirement. These would potentially carry to the City of St. George as the obligations exist based on services already provided by Parish employees.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:36 am to tonydtigr
They also want us to share the cost for the old woman’s hospital which BRPD uses the majority of it.
The sheriff does not want to be in that building nor do they use that building. The sheriff wants to be by the airport closer to the jail and juvenile court which he also is responsible for providing services to.
If the arguments the clerk of court has an office in the old woman’s hospital then we should only pay for that area the clerk is using.
BRPD wants use the Old Woman’s Hospital as their headquarters the City of BR needs to pay for it.
The sheriff does not want to be in that building nor do they use that building. The sheriff wants to be by the airport closer to the jail and juvenile court which he also is responsible for providing services to.
If the arguments the clerk of court has an office in the old woman’s hospital then we should only pay for that area the clerk is using.
BRPD wants use the Old Woman’s Hospital as their headquarters the City of BR needs to pay for it.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:43 am to johnnyrocket
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They also want us to share the cost for the old woman’s hospital which BRPD uses the majority of it.
We pay taxes to the sheriff. As long as he’s there then our taxes which we pay him can pay our share of the “rent”.
If he moves out then they need another tenant.
If other parish officials are there then we should pay our fair share for those officials.
Don’t we pay taxes now to support the C of C and the Assessor?
I’m against a free lunch, and I want SG to pay their fair share for services we receive but no more.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:49 am to doubleb
The Sheriff's office has no space at the old Woman's Hospital.
In addition to BRPD, the Clerk of Court, Parish Attorney, and District Attorney all have space there.
In addition to BRPD, the Clerk of Court, Parish Attorney, and District Attorney all have space there.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:54 am to doubleb
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Maybe you can answer this question, I’ve asked of anti-SG people. Exactly which services will the parish no longer provide to SG once it becomes a city?
I haven't seen specifics, but look at what a city like Kenner provides, vs Jefferson Parish, who provides these items in unincorporated areas.
Police
Fire (not an issue here because EBR doesn't provide fire in St G)
Recreation
Code Enforcement / Planning / Zoning
Emergency Managememt
Legal (to defend the city and to prosecute as needed)
Municipal Court
Jail
Public Works - Traffic, parkways, street lighting, grass cutting, litter abatement, drainage
Mass transit
Economic Development
City of Kenner's budget is 70 million. That's a lot of stuff.
I would think St. George would be responsible for all of the above. Perhaps they could pay the parish to do some of this for them.
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The sheriff collects property taxes, that won’t change. But yes there will be a finance dept. and it won’t be free.
Most cities have their own collection, and don't use the sheriff. Kenner, Gretna, Harahan, etc all do this. You can have the sheriff collect on the city's behalf, but again, there's a cost to that.
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Keep in mind that we are already paying for C-P administrators now. We pay part of Broome and her administration’s salaries. We pay for people in finance, etc.
And I would assume you are still going to. Of course, this is muddled up by the city-parish system. If it was just a parish, this would be much easier.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:01 pm to SlackMaster
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No, not cops and firemen. But yes for city-parish workers and school officials. My point is that this is not in the budget.
The city of St George legally has nothing to do with schools. No need to include schools in this.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:04 pm to LSUBoo
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In addition to BRPD, the Clerk of Court, Parish Attorney, and District Attorney all have space there.
Then SG should pay their fair share for the DA, CC, and Parish attorney.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Police Sheriff to provide. Limited police
Fire (not an issue here because EBR doesn't provide fire in St G) SG has separate FD
Recreation BREC provides parish wide
Code Enforcement / Planning / Zoning YES
Emergency YES
Legal (to defend the city and to prosecute as needed) YES
Municipal Court YES
Jail Sheriff
Public Works - Traffic, parkways, street lighting, grass cutting, litter abatement, drainage YES
Mass transit Parish wide via CATS
Economic Development YES
I put a comment by each item.
You and others need to understand that EBR has parish wide taxes that we pay for many services; this includes libraries, mosquito, parks, ems.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:14 pm to doubleb
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You and others need to understand that EBR has parish wide taxes that we pay for many services; this includes libraries, mosquito, parks, ems.
This thread encapsulates how little most people here know about their own local government. Which is sad.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Most cities have their own collection, and don't use the sheriff. Kenner, Gretna, Harahan, etc all do this. You can have the sheriff collect on the city's behalf, but again, there's a cost to that.
The sheriff invoices all property owner for property taxes and we write one check. He distributes the money to each tax authority.
Sales tax goes to one entity too. They distribute the revenues to agency involved depending on the amount.
There would be s finance dept. it’s in the budget.
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And I would assume you are still going to. Of course, this is muddled up by the city-parish system. If it was just a parish, this would be much easier
Yes
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:19 pm to Golfer
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This thread encapsulates how little most people here know about their own local government. Which is sad.
I have to confess that I’ve lived in EBR for 68 years, but not until all this hit the fan did I do some research for myself so I could better understand things.
It is upsetting to see folks try to scare and confuse people who don’t know a lot of this.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:34 pm to SlackMaster
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This won't happen. Rest assured that StG will carry its share of the retirement burden for both the city-parish and school system, even though it isn't in the budget.
Oh but it is in their budget on Page 4. SG Budget
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Legacy/Retirement Costs 4,000,000
The debt was not made overnight, nor will it be paid out overnight. SG agrees to pay for the debt of services and departments that serve their area. The consolidated government in place is a bastardized version of one, otherwise it would be like Orleans where the entire parish is the city. There are ordinances in EBR that apply only to the city and others that apply only to areas outside the city of BR. Likewise very few people understand what they are voting against. Feelings are not facts, and those for SG have the facts on their side, not the propaganda.
ETA: I do my best writing after I hit submit
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:40 pm to doubleb
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The sheriff invoices all property owner for property taxes and we write one check. He distributes the money to each tax authority.
I understand that is how it is for unincorporated areas.
And... I can see that being the case for the City of BR, because, again, stupid consolidated government.
Do the residents of Central, Zachary, etc, pay only one bill and the sheriff distributes the city tax money directly to said city?
And if so... does the city pay a fee to the sheriff to do that service?
Every agency pays a fee to the sheriff (usually a percentage of the tax collected) to handle this.
Additional taxes = additional fees.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
Yes, we pay a bill to the sheriff which covers all taxes. Less sure what cut the sheriff gets for collecting it.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:46 pm to doubleb
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I put a comment by each item.
is your "YES" comment an agreement that the city will now take over that service?
That's most of the list I posted.
I will certainly admit that the situation is more unique in that the parish has been providing these services from the start. In the traditional sense, when a city incorporates, no one has been providing that service.
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You and others need to understand that EBR has parish wide taxes that we pay for many services; this includes libraries, mosquito, parks, ems
Again, in most places, those parish-wide taxes aren't collected in the incorporated areas.
Example... Jefferson Parish has a property tax millage for recreation. Some of that is not collected in Kenner, because Kenner has it's own parks and recreation program, and charges their own property tax in Kenner.
Example... Water service is provided parish-wide in Jefferson, including the parish providing water service in Kenner. Garbage collection, the parish has a contract but that contract doesn't service Kenner. Kenner has their own contract. Jefferson Parish water bills have a monthly charge for garbage collection, however, that amount isn't collected on bills sent to users in the City of Kenner.
Point being... just because the parish is collecting a tax and providing a service today, doesn't mean they will continue to do so inside St G city limits. They may stop collecting the tax AND stop providing the service, leaving it up to St G to tax and provide.
That's what you need to understand.
Edit: And I would think that's what the people of St. G. would want... more local control over their taxes and more local control over government services. The less they can do it themselves, and not rely on the parish, the better. St. G should be pushing to take over as much stuff, for their residents, as they can.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:47 pm to teke184
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Yes, we pay a bill to the sheriff which covers all taxes. Less sure what cut the sheriff gets for collecting it.
Do you live in Zachary or Central? City of BR? Unincorporated area?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
They would be cutting off their noses to spite their face if they kept service in place for BR, Zachary, Central, and Baker while cutting off St George.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Point being... just because the parish is collecting a tax and providing a service today, doesn't mean they will continue to do so inside St G city limits. They may stop collecting the tax AND stop providing the service, leaving it up to St G to tax and provide.
I think St. George would welcome that, for the most part.
That said, I highly doubt the parish-wide entities like the Library system, BREC, EMS, etc. would do that. They'd have to abandon their facilities in St. George to justify it, and that's just not going to happen. They all operate in Baker, Central, and Zachary already without problem.
ETA: Not to mention there's no way those entities want to just abandon that much of their tax money.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
Incorporated city in Zachary. As in why my profile says “Zachary, LA”.
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