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re: Starter homes under 450k in a decent neighborhood

Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:38 pm to
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little to no debt when you graduated,


Wife had none. I had like 40k.

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likely didn't pay for your wedding either.


I fricking wish. Our parents paid for a percentage of their guests (ie people that my wife and I had no intention of inviting ourselves) but that only came out to like 20% of the total cost.

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You sure you accomplished this without help?


I guess what do you mean by “help”?
We have good families that supported us through undergrad but neither of us have received a penny from our parents since getting real jobs.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:38 pm to
National average mortgage rate is 6.7% so we can use that for arguments sake…

On a standard loan for the OPs house, ($450K) with 20% down 30 year fixed, that’s about $2,300 per month before taxes and insurance (being Texas that will add around $10K / year probably).

2 years ago, at 3% rates the payment would’ve been $1,500.
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37052 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:38 pm to
The “help” from undergrad was me living at home, because I chose to go to school near my house in order to avoid student loans. My wife also chose to go to an undergrad school near a relative that she lived with.

The wedding isn’t really help because we could’ve gone to the courthouse and essentially got married for free. It’s not like we had to spend as much as they did.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:40 pm to
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You just told them "my house is worth such and such" and they just said okay and wrote it down and said thank you Mr Gary Potter, based on your word we'll get the pmi removed pronto? Hmm ok


Uhh yea. A shitload of refi lenders (especially online based ones) were waiving appraisals if the valuation you told them was inline with what their internal numbers were for your area.

I refi’d that house twice and neither time was it appraised.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:40 pm to
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The wedding isn’t really help because we could’ve gone to the courthouse and essentially got married for free. It’s not like we had to spend as much as they did.


GTFO
Posted by GaryPotter
Round about here
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:42 pm to
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Finding a dated solidly built home in a very established neighborhood is still the best move for a young couple, but most are turned over or torn down at this point and if not you’re paying a premium for something with terribly dated finishes. It’s legit tough if your goal is to live in a good area of a large metro


And that goes back to there being no true desirable starter homes.

It does suck for them but they might have to commute instead of living in established neighborhoods or cookie cutter subdivisions
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:42 pm to
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We have good families that supported us through undergrad but neither of us have received a penny from our parents since getting real jobs.


Nothing wrong with this, but you don't get to ignore help you got to put you in that starting position and claim you did it all on your own.

What's that saying about starting life on 3rd base and thinking you hit a triple
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:46 pm to
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claim you did it all on your own.


Never did. We both had a privileged upbringing.


But as far as the dollars spent purchasing our house or any other life expense following graduation, that was all us.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87339 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:52 pm to
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It does suck for them but they might have to commute instead of living in established neighborhoods or cookie cutter subdivisions



Yeah I certainly wouldn't throw too much pity toward them, although IT IS different than how it was 10 years ago.

Meaning right now, in Atlanta, if you want to live in a decent (meaning safe ad polite, not necessarily strong schools/highish end) for 450k you're probably going to have to opt for an aging brick ranch that needs work in a rougher part of a closer in suburb, or an ugly, cookie cutter build of questionable quality that is probably 3000 sq ft and out in distant Cobb or Gwinnett suburbia.

Either will work just fine, minus the commute, but you'll also be the young couple in a neighborhood of distant suburban families whose kids are probably in middle/high school. That could change as more young people are forced to do that, but right now it's still an awkward fit.

Whereas 10 years ago, you could take 450 and find a smallish old home with good bones in a Buckheadish neighborhood or Brookhaven or East Cobb or Sandy Springs, etc. and be around a bunch of other late 20s types just in time to have your first kid and then all upgrade at roughly the same time moving into the same neighborhoods, etc.

Not the end of the world, but the pretty established paths of urban/close in suburban home ownership for young professionals have changed a lot if you're not prepared to buy a 600k+ house in your mid/late 20s.
Posted by The Torch
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:55 pm to
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are almost impossible to find. Anything below 450k is in the hood or hood-adjacent.


It's the same in north DFW, you can get a 3/2 in a neighborhood with broken down cars all over and unkept lawns for $385,000.

450-475 will get you in a new hood though

We bought our first home 16 years ago for 164K it's listed over 400K now
Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
11696 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:55 pm to
I’m in a cookie cutter for $109/sqft. $215k total. Don’t regret a thing.

3.25% interest rate so y’all can sugma
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37052 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:56 pm to
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I also paid for 6 years of graduate education out of pocket during those years, okay

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With no family help I'm sure.


There was no help during the years that I paid for grad school, don't move the goal posts now

ETA: anyway you're missing the point of me mentioning that I paid for the school in cash. The point was that I wasn't just saving massive amounts of money before we purchased our starter home.
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Same goes for the Houston area.


horseshite
Posted by Raoul Stimulato
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Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:08 pm to
I like Lexington. But it’s only affordable because that’s in the nondescript middle part of the country and very few people outside of native born want to live there.

I say this as someone originally from Dayton (#fentanyl)
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:09 pm to
Tha hell it is. Email me and I’ll schedule you a showing of mine. I’ll discount it 25k off that price.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
8380 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:11 pm to
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I found you a better one to help your argument though LINK /


This is actually an amazing one because it has an assumable mortgage rate of 2.99. Which is half of the current rates. Not sure the remaining balance but this is a really good option
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:17 pm to
This thread is a disaster.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17601 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:21 pm to
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Same goes for the Houston area.


I’ll sell you my house for under $450k in Houston Heights
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78328 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:23 pm to
East Cobb still has some good looking homes for under $600,000.

I was surprised to see 4,000 sq foot homes at TPC Sugarloaf in Duluth for under 1.5 million dollars.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
11743 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:32 pm to
$450K is not a starter home.

A starter home is a starter home because it has qualities that make it undesirable to those who are buying 2nd and 3rd homes. Such as being in the hood or hood-adjacent. Or having a long commute.

This situation is extremely amplified when you are trying to find a starter home in an area of extreme growth. In your case, Austin is the poster child for extreme growth.

I was in this situation with Houston in 1995. Within 5 minutes we knew we couldn't afford all three of Safe, Conveniently located, and Affordable. Which is why, even with two incomes, we had to settle for Affordable
and buy a home 27 miles from our jobs, in a rent heavy subdivision. We had one car note, made almost weekly repairs to the house, and rent for our first 2 years of marriage to save for a down payment. We lived there for six years before moving out of our "starter" home.

And it took us 3 months of looking really hard until we found this jewel of a starter home.

To that end, here you go:

It took me 5 minutes. It is 3 years old in a great area and its 45 mins from downtown Austin. Yes, its overpriced at $285K, but to work in Austin, you should be over-salaried.

$285K three year old home

For comparison, here is a starter home in the Houston area with the same commute and decent (not great) schools. Another area with very high growth, only not as crazy as Austin.

$230K starter home Houston area

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