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re: St. Louis is a joke.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:02 am to Wildcat98USA
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:02 am to Wildcat98USA
St. Louis is Memphis north with an arch instead of a pyramid and a pro baseball team
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:03 am to Wildcat98USA
But did you even Pappy’s?
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:06 am to Wildcat98USA
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St. Louis
So there is a park across the river where you can take badass pictures of the arch. Took my kids there around sundown. Turns out it is all run down and behind some sketchy casino now. Couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:27 am to UKWildcats
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East St Louis is BY FAR the most ghetto, poverty stricken, desolate, rough, sad, pitiful, apocalyptic, run down place in America I have ever been. It can't be overstated how awful it is.
Unfortunately I've worked in both East St. Louis and North St Louis and North St. Louis is worse.
East St. Louis still has some semblance of a business district. North St. Louis is a festering open boil.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:37 am to LoveThatMoney
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St. Louis is my city.
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It’s a loss born of racism, idiocy, progressivism, bad fricking politics, and greed.
I will take exception to it being born of racism. Unless you're talking about their failed attemtps at public housing in the 1960's. It's born of crime. Hell even the black people who had the financial means moved out to Ferguson, Florissant, Spanish Lake, etc.
It's not racist to see people presenting themselves like thugs and say, I'm out".
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:38 am to Wildcat98USA
This isn’t news. Downtown St. Louis has been like that for a long time. It’s commonly known as one of the worst downtowns in America.
It’s a shame because there are a lot of really good people in that area.
It’s a shame because there are a lot of really good people in that area.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:01 am to Wildcat98USA
Yeah, they try to push a narrative that attendance is down due to ownership selling off, which the Cards have really not done in a long time. And that may be a small part of it.
And I say this as someone who has never gone there but I have friends and acquaintances who have and they all paint the picture you have, the pre and post game is not all that festive or inviting and if you veer from close proximity to the stadium it can be risky.
Plus, if you've ever seen the Cardinal fan base roll into Houston for a series, it's an aging fan base. Not sure their kids and grandkids are all picking up the fandom gene and the above may be factors in that.
And I say this as someone who has never gone there but I have friends and acquaintances who have and they all paint the picture you have, the pre and post game is not all that festive or inviting and if you veer from close proximity to the stadium it can be risky.
Plus, if you've ever seen the Cardinal fan base roll into Houston for a series, it's an aging fan base. Not sure their kids and grandkids are all picking up the fandom gene and the above may be factors in that.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:06 am to mule74
If anything downtown St Louis is safer than it has been in a long time.
No reason to leave Clayton except to go to the game and come back
No reason to leave Clayton except to go to the game and come back
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:06 am to Mizz-SEC
quote:I haven't been to North St Louis, so I will defer to your expertise since you're a local. My childhood buddy from here in Lexington moved to St Charles so I've been out to St Louis a few times to visit him and go to Reds games when we play there.
Unfortunately I've worked in both East St. Louis and North St Louis and North St. Louis is worse.
East St. Louis still has some semblance of a business district. North St. Louis is a festering open boil.
When he first moved out there (apx 20 yrs ago) we wanted to get drunk and see some titties, so we found a strip club listing and drove to East St Louis. We clearly had no idea we had zero business going there, but we lived to tell the tale.
I've been to Gary, IN, Harlem, Detroit, Cleveland, Youngstown, Memphis.....
... East St Louis was absolutely deplorable.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:22 am to Wildcat98USA
I had a long distance relationship with someone who lived in St. Louis about a decade ago, so obviously I'd go up there often enough.
Even a decade ago St. Louis, especially downtown, was a shite hole and a ghost town, so I can imagine it's even worse today. I'll say my negative opinions about New Orleans often enough on here, but I will take New Orleans over St. Louis any day of the week.
The one positive they had were the St. Louis Cardinals, but I expect them to struggle this year, really the next couple years, so their games are likely going to have no one. Which is a shame because they have a terrific fan base.
Even a decade ago St. Louis, especially downtown, was a shite hole and a ghost town, so I can imagine it's even worse today. I'll say my negative opinions about New Orleans often enough on here, but I will take New Orleans over St. Louis any day of the week.
The one positive they had were the St. Louis Cardinals, but I expect them to struggle this year, really the next couple years, so their games are likely going to have no one. Which is a shame because they have a terrific fan base.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:32 am to Wildcat98USA
I watched Skenes pitch there last year. Parked, watched the game and left. That's all I got.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:43 am to A Menace to Sobriety
Native St Louisan here. Still visit several times a year. There was a revival in the 80s and 90s. Investment was coming in and they were renovating some old landmarks. It peaked and started to decline in 2000s. If the Cardinals left it would be the last gasp. And the team is struggling to put a marketable product on the field. A few really unique and cool places remain that are worth the visit: Ballpark village, a restaurant called 360 overlooking the arch and the ball fields, the City Museum, Soulard Farmers Market, the brewery, the zoo, and Shaw Gardens The population has moved west. My family has all moved out to Wildwood which is about an hour west and the original suburbs are changing demographics. White flight personified. The city is a hellscape and it is super depressing to admit. I used to stick up for it. I have been an avid Cardinals fan, go to Winter Warmup, Spring games in Jupiter. Would take my mom to a game in STL for her birthday every year. For 40+ years. Until about 5 years ago. Management and shitty television deals mean you can’t even watch the games in St Louis if you don’t have AT&T cable.
Not a lot of bright people in leadership positions.
Not a lot of bright people in leadership positions.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:59 am to Wildcat98USA
I've been to STL thrice, three different decades, and the purpose of each trip involved baseball games. First went in the early 90s, wasn't well traveled, but downtown seemed like any "big city" at the time to a kid from a city of 50k. Took another trip in the late 00s, still a decent atmosphere with folks going to the game, but being a bit more traveled, noticed it was clearly a lower tier city; most recently visited in early 2022, parking in a garage between Busch and the Enterprise Center and it was eerie. Very few people and it just felt sketchy (and these were afternoon games), it was fine once you got immediately to the stadium, I don't know if Ballpark Village just sucked the life out of everywhere else for gameday traffic or what, but other than Arlington (which didn't feel eerie, just desolate), I'd never seen such a dead area near a big league ballpark.
ETA: despite username, no real bias against the city, I was a WGN kid so no Chi vs Stl city rivalry for me. People were always nice inside the stadium, and aside from the past couple of seasons, they've always had great home crowds.
ETA: despite username, no real bias against the city, I was a WGN kid so no Chi vs Stl city rivalry for me. People were always nice inside the stadium, and aside from the past couple of seasons, they've always had great home crowds.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:02 am to Wildcat98USA
I've always wondered what the dynamics of a major American city would be like if everyone felt safe all the time.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:19 am to Wildcat98USA
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Horribly placed stadium. No nightlife. No people around. No restaurants open postgame
I would imagine during the summertime it will be better atmosphere.
school night.
Most midwest bigger cities have died down... everyone lives in the burbs now and has lives.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:21 am to madamsquirrel
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The area near the arch has a very nola feel to it. They could be sister cities.
St. Louis was founded by New Orleanians Pierre Laclede and August Chouteau. They wanted a fur trading post on the Upper Mississippi River and its confluence with the Missouri River seemed like a good place to establish it.
In St. Louis they consider themselves to be a sister city to New Orleans and until the German immigrants started arriving in the 1840's they pretty much were.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:25 am to hg
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How the hell does St. Louis have such a large metro population while the city itself is below 300,000 now
The towns outside of the St. Louis city limits have been fighting like hell for decades anytime St. Louis city tried to annex anything.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:36 am to Tiger Ugly
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Plus, if you've ever seen the Cardinal fan base roll into Houston for a series, it's an aging fan base.
Not sure you can judge an entire fanbase by what you see at one particular road series.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:39 am to TexasTiger08
agree
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:41 am to MSTiger33
quote:Cincy is badass, plus right over the bridge is Covington which is really cool too.
This was my experience in Cincinnati as well except there was no games during my stay.
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