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re: St Landry Parish School Board votes to start school virtual, look to data to reopen
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:15 pm to Breesus
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:15 pm to Breesus
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So what do you do with all the children aged 5-14 with working parents? You just sit an 8 year old at home by himself in front of a computer?
What do those parents do in the summer when they work? What did they do from March til today?
They most likely hire a teenage babysitter right? Or send them with family.
The babysitting business about to boom. This isn't rocket science.
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:18 pm to musick
Do how do you supervise the kids. I have a problem with remote learning ever since my son who plays football at a D1 school let me in on the scam of how online was manipulated on that level. It was and is a joke.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:20 pm to KiwiHead
My favorite thing is people come here all the time saying teachers are glorified babysitters, and now you have a definite rift in that and immediately everyone goes to where do those kids go during the day. 
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:21 pm to KiwiHead
Online in March will not be online to start school since we are actually putting resources and effort into it rather than being blindsided
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:23 pm to musick
I'll also clarify , as of this moment teachers will be in the classroom, not at home
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:28 pm to musick
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The babysitting business about to boom
cool. Cause thats all these kids will be qualified for when they grow up thanks to the top-notch education they are getting.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:30 pm to tigerinthebueche
Yea bc starting school slow but opening in phases during a global pandemic will definitely ruin these kids
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:38 pm to thedentist45
quote:Parents are bringing their kids or busing then to the school to pick up a free breakfast when the school is closed? Then taking them back home for them to learn in a virtual classroom or learn independently online? Are they hauling them back to the school for lunch too?
Lunch ladies cook breakfast for low income areas. I don't see that being cut.
Why not give the low-income/free lunch kids food vouchers (i.e. WIC)? It makes no sense to keep a full lunchroom staff & food ordering system with no kids on campus.
quote:Did I say 90% cut? I certainly don't think 90% cut is needed. But there's no reason 75% cuts in janitorial staff/lunch room staff/maintenance staff shouldn't be done when no students are in the school. Why pay PE teachers/Art/Music, etc teachers that have no students to teach?
Obviously you don't need the same amount of staff when virtual but to say cut 90% is just ridiculous.
quote:It's a risk that the board of education needs to be willing to take if they choose to keep the schools closed.
Also, what happens in 2 months if they decide to go back to in class teaching but the teachers found other jobs?
quote:Short-sighted possibly. But is it really necessary to keep paying an entire school faculty and staff when there are no students in the school?
A lot of responses in here are just short-sighted it seems.
quote:Who said 1 teacher for 150-200 students? My proposal would be to prorate the teacher cuts. If the ratio is normally 25:1 in the classroom, then why can't 1 teacher handle 55-60:1 ratio virtually? If 4th grade has 200 students and 8 teachers in a 25:1 ratio, then it's not inconceivable to cut that teaching staff by 50% (3-4 teachers) & require a virtual teacher to take a 50:1 ratio student load.
One teacher is not going to be able to give timely feedback to a grade level with 150-200 students.
quote:I'm mainly talking elementary level education settings. Why the hell can't someone who's never taught lower school help grade work and answer questions on an elementary level curriculum? Math is Math/Spelling is Spelling, an elementary teachers aide or intern won't need to give feed back on Calculus/Biology.
And to bring in someone who has never taught to help would likely just create more work for the teacher.
Do you honestly feel like a school should retain a full faculty, administration & operations/maintenance staff when the kids aren't on-site?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:39 pm to musick
I really don't see where education in St Landry Parish can get any worse.
Online or in classroom is irrelevant.
I would think the lack of value in education in most LA public schools might cause a sense of need to resume, but I witnessed the social promotion that took place this year, and honestly, I've become as apathetic as what is considered to be the greatest minds in St Landry Parish.
There can't be many parishes with less tax base and general need for welfare in a state that ranks last nationally.
Online or in classroom is irrelevant.
I would think the lack of value in education in most LA public schools might cause a sense of need to resume, but I witnessed the social promotion that took place this year, and honestly, I've become as apathetic as what is considered to be the greatest minds in St Landry Parish.
There can't be many parishes with less tax base and general need for welfare in a state that ranks last nationally.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:41 pm to musick
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My favorite thing is people come here all the time saying teachers are glorified babysitters, and now you have a definite rift in that and immediately everyone goes to where do those kids go during the day. ?
Hey clown, public education costs the taxpayers $700 billion a year. That's why we don't want to pay y'all the same to provide less service.
The LEAST surprising thing in the history of the world is the public education system choosing to work less.
Let's talk about why public schools spend $11k pee student for terrible outcomes when it costs half that for private school.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:44 pm to musick
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ea bc starting school slow but opening in phases during a global pandemic will definitely ruin these kids
yes, we need to go very slowly with the group who is the least vulnerable to Covid and least likely to transmit it. By all means, take your time. We wouldn't them to excel academically. No matter what it takes, keep them safe.
And stunted.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:49 pm to tigerinthebueche
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yes, we need to go very slowly with the group who is the least vulnerable to Covid and least likely to transmit it. By all means, take your time. We wouldn't them to excel academically. No matter what it takes, keep them safe.
And stunted.
Lots of teachers put educating students pretty low on their priority list, judging by the response to COVID.
Meanwhile, what's the over/under on the % of Louisiana teachers and school administrators that spent their stimulus checks staying in Alabama and Florida condos this summer? Condos that have been inhabited by no telling how much COVID at this point.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:59 pm to ML Crisis
quote:I'm sympathetic to LA schools because I live in Alabama and I'm fully aware of the piss poor public education system in this State.
Lots of teachers put educating students pretty low on their priority list, judging by the response to COVID.
Meanwhile, what's the over/under on the % of Louisiana teachers and school administrators that spent their stimulus checks staying in Alabama and Florida condos this summer? Condos that have been inhabited by no telling how much COVID at this point.
I have many friends that are public school teachers that I've spent time with over the summer. The older one's (45-50 yrs olds super close to retirement) are ok with virtual/online. The younger one's fresh out of college or a couple of yrs removed from college 100% want to be hands-on and face to face in their classrooms in August.
For the passed 2 weeks they've ALL been busy working up lesson plans for both in person and remote teaching. The current plan for the local public schools starts are optional - parents can bring kids to campus OR sign up for remote.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:59 pm to RT1941
90% cut was to the poster who suggested 90% cut but 75% cut would probably be too much as well.
Basically the same question and you have my quote answering that in your post.
Also, a poster in this thread suggested one teacher for each subject and using 6 sections of a grade level with probably 25 kids per classroom would give you 150 students so we are using different numbers. I'm going off of one set of numbers and you're using another. 1-50 is not really different from the normal ratio but remember, not each teacher teaches all subjects. You have enough core subjects that there is not as much teaching crossover as you think.
My answer to this questions is because the parents will already complain of "unfair" grading and if it is someone who they see with less or no authority, complaints would multiply.
quote:
Short-sighted possibly. But is it really necessary to keep paying an entire school faculty and staff when there are no students in the school?
quote:
Do you honestly feel like a school should retain a full faculty, administration & operations/maintenance staff when the kids aren't on-site?
Basically the same question and you have my quote answering that in your post.
Also, a poster in this thread suggested one teacher for each subject and using 6 sections of a grade level with probably 25 kids per classroom would give you 150 students so we are using different numbers. I'm going off of one set of numbers and you're using another. 1-50 is not really different from the normal ratio but remember, not each teacher teaches all subjects. You have enough core subjects that there is not as much teaching crossover as you think.
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Why the hell can't someone who's never taught lower school help grade work and answer questions on an elementary level curriculum?
My answer to this questions is because the parents will already complain of "unfair" grading and if it is someone who they see with less or no authority, complaints would multiply.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:09 pm to thedentist45
quote:We won't see eye to eye on this subject. You are an educator I'm a business man literally looking at it from a costs basis and IF classes are remote in the Fall, there's an excellent opportunity for schools to seriously cut expenses across the entire school system.
thedentist45
No school needs a full compliment of custodians on-site with no students to clean after. No need to order massive quantities of food and a staff to cook 2 meals a day for low-income kids when food vouchers can be disbursed at a fraction of the cost of employing on-site workers to feed kids that aren't physically there.
Why have PE teachers? Band/music/art teachers? Why have a full office of principals, assistants and secretaries when the kids are remote?
Why heat and cool classrooms for weeks and months when no one's occupying the space?
Why employ a faculty with a 25:1 ration of face to face educators when virtual classes can service twice the # of kids with 1 teacher?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:15 pm to RT1941
I can absolutely understand where you are coming from in that the state could trim fat from the school system. I agree you can cut some but I am just pointing out that it's not as simple as grade level. Take a biology teacher for example. They may teach Bio I, Bio II, Anatomy, etc. Elementary would be easier but in high school, you don't have science, math, history. You have world history, US history, Louisiana history. Algebra I, Algebra II Geometry, Calculus. There aren't 4 teachers teaching the same subjects like this board seems to think.
Also, some school custodians are responsible for keeping up the grounds (grass cutting, weedeating, landscaping.) grass and weeds will not stop growing. It's cheaper than paying a lawn company to come in and do it.
Also, some school custodians are responsible for keeping up the grounds (grass cutting, weedeating, landscaping.) grass and weeds will not stop growing. It's cheaper than paying a lawn company to come in and do it.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:19 pm to musick
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What do those parents do in the summer when they work?
Camps at school. And summer time kids who are also off.
quote:
They most likely hire a teenage babysitter right? Or send them with family.
The babysitting business about to boom. This isn't rocket science.
So it's your understanding that teenagers can learn virtual school full time while also babysitting and helping younger kids virtually learn?
Or did you forget teenagers go to school?
Do you think people have enough disposable income to hire a full time babysitter for the entire year?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:20 pm to musick
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Yea bc starting school slow but opening in phases during a global pandemic will definitely ruin these kids
This virus isn’t going anywhere between now and next May. Even if a vaccine were discovered tomorrow, it would take at least that long to manufacture it for the masses. Teachers can protect themselves just like every industry has found ways to do so. They can put a plexiglass wall between themselves and the students if they’re really that concerned. Children going to school is fundamental to our society and economy being able to function.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:23 pm to musick
Always love hearing that the worst school system in the state is working hard to achieve new lows.
So proud
So proud
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:26 pm to musick
What it really is , is that the teachers are playing scared. The kids arw at a minimal risk....the data bares this out. It's a leverage game really. If you paid these teachers an extra 1500 a month, they would find the courage....they would be lauded for being oh so brave.....it's all about the kids,right?
These kids will teach you how to game this new "initiative" Also I will take bets that those 3500 computers are not available and in place until mid term.....at best. I know you will say otherwise, but I know Louisiana.
These kids will teach you how to game this new "initiative" Also I will take bets that those 3500 computers are not available and in place until mid term.....at best. I know you will say otherwise, but I know Louisiana.
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