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re: St. George: BTR: 1st ‘taxes will go up’ Now ‘brace for cuts’
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:45 am to teke184
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:45 am to teke184
they effectively argued some points like
1. city governments are expensive and we should limit them
2. we need to respect the political process by changing the rules of that process in the middle of it
3. StG supporters need to work within the political processes of EBR to improve their political situation, bue their behavior in doing exactly that (by following the rules to form StG) is a subversion of that political process
4. we need to promote democracy by changing the rules on who gets to vote so uninterested parties get a say in the vote
1. city governments are expensive and we should limit them
2. we need to respect the political process by changing the rules of that process in the middle of it
3. StG supporters need to work within the political processes of EBR to improve their political situation, bue their behavior in doing exactly that (by following the rules to form StG) is a subversion of that political process
4. we need to promote democracy by changing the rules on who gets to vote so uninterested parties get a say in the vote
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:45 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
How does that square up to St. George taxpayers paying for BRPD with zero coverage? Would BR City be willing to agree that the unincorporated area pays EBRSO a higher rate in exchange for keeping its $50 million dollars of revenue that’s stolen every year?
Well, sales tax collected in EBR goes to the general fund and general fund money gets spread around the city-parish government which includes BRPD's budget. So anyone conducting business inside the parish - residents and non-residents - are indirectly paying for BRPD whether or not they receive BRPD coverage. I'm not aware of any direct taxing mechanism whereby StG residents pay a tax to fund BRPD though.
On the other hand, the Sheriff's Office is funded by ad valorem property tax paid by the entire parish, but the Sheriff's Office also provides more police service to unincorporated areas vs. incorporated areas. So city residents directly fund the SO via property tax but don't receive the same coverage as unincorporated residents, so they're directly subsidizing the deputies in the unincorporated areas.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:46 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
to the people living in the St. George district started this rift.
No. The rift started with a downward trend in education quality since the 70s and a host of empty promises from the school board.
It has been nothing but a turf war since Central and Baker left.
Instead of trying to patch the marriage up after Central and Baker, one side stopped taking and started to lawyer up so to say.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:46 am to Huey Lewis
quote:
I can tell you for fact that within a few years there will be extreme pressure on the sheriff to only offer StG coverage and services in line with what is provided proportionally to BR, Zachary, Baker, and Central. Central has been forced to step up its police services for all these same reasons and Central isn't anywhere close to StG in size, finances, or political friction.
In effect, the StG area is currently receiving disproportionate police coverage from the Sheriff's Office compared to the parish's municipalities. StG's police coverage is currently subsidized by incorporated areas that receive disproportionately less SO coverage than what they pay for since they have municipal police coverage.
Once StG incorporates, we can expect the subsidizing of police coverage to eventually come to an end. It has happened every time a city incorporates in this state and other states.
So can we expect the Sheriff to downsize? Seems like once Cit of StG gets going there will be less of a need for Sheriff department.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:46 am to LStU
Same people the mayor gave “space to destroy”?
I have the world’s smallest violin for the people of Baltimore.
I have the world’s smallest violin for the people of Baltimore.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:46 am to teke184
quote:Another fantastic moment was when she took the "witness stand" only to admit that the purpose of the bill she created was because she got lots of angry calls from her constituents who didn't understand the law. She literally admitted to pandering.
Coloumb
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Logic was never the strong suit of the people involved.
Instead of getting an F, they would be given a higher grade and a pat on the head.
Instead of getting an F, they would be given a higher grade and a pat on the head.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:But only in EBR. No other parish.
4. we need to promote democracy by changing the rules on who gets to vote so uninterested parties get a say in the vote
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:47 am to OysterPoBoy
quote:
It blows my mind that people who were able to win elections can speak and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about but still be confident in what they're saying.
if you want to be scared, those same people were basically telling anyone who argued with them that it's their job to create laws to regulate the people who just won the discussion. it was literal promotion of tyranny on display
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:49 am to OysterPoBoy
quote:You've obviously never watched a Metro Council meeting with Chauna Banks in attendance.
The lady that ran that hearing has to be the dumbest person I've seen in years
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:49 am to ell_13
quote:
But only in EBR. No other parish.
VERY VALID POINT
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:49 am to teke184
quote:
Most attempts to rehab an area start with groups like Yuppies who have high income and who decide they are going to move into a low cost area and improve it rather than pay premium costs to live somewhere better.
The problems with this are that there isn’t a young professional core really capable of this in BR and any improvement to the area will be followed by screams about how people were gentrified out of their homes.
This. The white collar job industry in Baton Rouge is sad. It is only getting worse.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:50 am to ell_13
Did the Feds ever get around with investigating her for promoting FEMA fraud?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:52 am to Huey Lewis
quote:That is such a stupid, fricked up system.
Well, sales tax collected in EBR goes to the general fund and general fund money gets spread around the city-parish government which includes BRPD's budget. So anyone conducting business inside the parish - residents and non-residents - are indirectly paying for BRPD whether or not they receive BRPD coverage. I'm not aware of any direct taxing mechanism whereby StG residents pay a tax to fund BRPD though.
On the other hand, the Sheriff's Office is funded by ad valorem property tax paid by the entire parish, but the Sheriff's Office also provides more police service to unincorporated areas vs. incorporated areas. So city residents directly fund the SO via property tax but don't receive the same coverage as unincorporated residents, so they're directly subsidizing the deputies in the unincorporated areas.
The “city-parish” concept needs to be scrapped.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:52 am to ell_13
quote:
You've obviously never watched a Metro Council meeting with Chauna Banks in attendance.
I watched a few minutes of one until they started cutting themselves.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:52 am to lsu13lsu
quote:
So can we expect the Sheriff to downsize? Seems like once Cit of StG gets going there will be less of a need for Sheriff department.
Why would they downsize? They collect just as much in taxes and would be able to reallocate manpower and bolster coverage and services in other areas. As a resident of a different unincorporated area, I want StG to be a large and thriving city in part because it frees up alot of SO resources to better serve my area.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:53 am to ell_13
Everyone gets so caught up in what the results of StG incorporation will be. No one knows what will fail and what will succeed. Predictions one way or the other have nothing to do with citizens using lawful avenues to execute their will on government. This is the most pressing issue at hand.
Government for the people, by the people.
And the government, itself, trying to stop it.
Government for the people, by the people.
And the government, itself, trying to stop it.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:55 am to Napoleon
quote:
also notice the mostly black area of unincorporated South Baton Rouge were left out of St. George. (Gadere) I was pretty sure the original St George map ended at the city border. If st George had a ghetto, it would be easier to fight off the racism and country club city comments. The bad they could vote against. The good, that area has potential.
My opinion on this:
They included the most difficult to police and the biggest tax burden (tax dollars needed vs taxes paid) area in the proposal last time and got called racists.
This time, they figured if they were going to be called racist anyway, why not draw the lines to make it easiest to govern?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:55 am to doubleb
quote:
Because private developers believe they can make a buck.
I hope they all succeed, it’s good for EBR.
Because that area is anchored with high income, high functioning institutions:
Old Goodwood
Catholic High
St. Joseph’s
Our Lady of Mercy
100 Oaks
Country Club
It was a smart area to develop. And, ideally, you can begin to spread that development down government to I-110 (like City Social) and to Florida Blvd.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:55 am to Scruffy
The city parish system is directly responsible for where we are now.
The main argument I can think of in favor of it was “the Feds made it impossible to incorporate any more residential areas for civil rights purposes.”
The problem is that most of the growth in the past 30+ years happened in areas which weren’t already annexed, meaning that you had an area the population of BR technically living outside BR.
In short, this is an unintended consequence of other issues in the 70s and 80s biting us in the arse now.
The main argument I can think of in favor of it was “the Feds made it impossible to incorporate any more residential areas for civil rights purposes.”
The problem is that most of the growth in the past 30+ years happened in areas which weren’t already annexed, meaning that you had an area the population of BR technically living outside BR.
In short, this is an unintended consequence of other issues in the 70s and 80s biting us in the arse now.
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