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re: Spoke to a plumber today who gave good advice on faucets for the freeze

Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:54 am to
Posted by cyogi
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:54 am to
This thread...
Posted by countrytiger60
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:56 am to
a water will go to the slab from the meter. but the water line is then run up the wall into the attic. from there a trunk line will be run across the house. after that 1/2 inch lines will branch off to wherever they need to go.
Posted by Broyota2
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:59 am to
I always thought you were just supposed to drip the faucet that's the furthest away from where the water line enters your house?
Posted by Slim Chance
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:00 am to
I just took cold. I have a natural gas tankless water heater. My gas bill would be outrageous if that water heater ran all night
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:02 am to
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I just took cold. I have a natural gas tankless water heater. My gas bill would be outrageous if that water heater ran all night


There is a minimum flow rate required for the heater to actually kick on.

However, most tankless water heaters have an anti-freeze system. As long as power and gas is supplied the unit itself will never freeze up. The pipes on the other hand...
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:03 am to
"experts" also say boys are girls. Guess we should just trust the experts. How about all the "experts" during covid? Just trust them too?

If you have any actual data that shows a significant decrease in ambient temp, I'd love to see it. But no one will post any. We know why.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:09 am to
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If you have any actual data that shows a significant decrease in ambient temp,
Every house is going to be different, which is why, in this case, anecdotal evidence is sufficient to prove it can be a helpful practice.

Here is one of many experiments showing a difference you hard headed know it all:

LINK

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In our experiment leaving the doors open made a 9 degree difference. Even if our experiment house was never at risk for frozen pipes, in colder weather, 9 degrees could make the difference between freezing and above freezing.


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In order to prevent the costly disaster of freezing pipes and burst pipes, you need to take every precaution possible — especially ones that are as easy as opening you cabinet doors. It’s free, it only takes a second, and there are no downsides.


This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 9:12 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:15 am to
No fricking chance is a cabinet open to the room for any significant amount of time going to have a 12 degree difference in temperature from the air right next to it. That doesn't pass the smell test at all.

Y'all open your cabinets if you want. It's not doing anything for you is all I'm telling you.
Posted by cyarrr
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:18 am to
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If you have any actual data that shows a significant decrease in ambient temp, I'd love to see it.


Kind of like your actual data?

It’s common sense.

Yet to see you cite an expert saying otherwise.

I’m sure I could cite a dozen more articles.

Please provide an article citing expert opinions similar to what you have concluded.

By the way, I’m not expecting a logical response from you.


This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 9:21 am
Posted by cyogi
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:18 am to
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One of my outsized spigots was froze this morning despite being covered.

Maybe a silly question, but do you know why, or what could have prevented this? I covered mine (south La.) and seem okay.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:20 am to
So I give you the data you ask for and you claim the guy that did the experiment is lying? A poster in this thread gave you data and you dismiss it. All to refuse to acknowledge you might be wrong.

I bet your friends and family know you as the guy that never acknowledges being wrong irl, too. It doesn’t matter here on the internet, but try to do better for them this Christmas.

Happy holidays!
Posted by FoodExit
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:20 am to
Okay we get the point. You don’t recommend cabinet doors open. Now carry on with your day please.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:21 am to
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It’s common sense.


It's the opposite of common sense.
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By the way, I’m not expecting a logical response from you.


Oh no. Whatever shall i do now?
Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:24 am to
I totally agree
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:26 am to
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So I give you the data you ask for and you claim the guy that did the experiment is lying?


Didn't say he lied. I do say his measurement technique is likely flawed as I cannot get that big of a drop in my cabinet right now while holding me thermometer to the actual metal of the water supply. And my outside temp is right around the 25 he had.

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All to refuse to acknowledge you might be wrong.


There simply isn't enough difference in temp to have any measurable effect on preventing freezing. Let's say that 9 degree difference is legit. That's not enough to make much difference to the water in the pipes.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:27 am to
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Let's say that 9 degree difference is legit. That's not enough to make much difference to the water in the pipes.
The link supporting this claim was missing.
Posted by jojothetireguy
Live out in Coconut Grove
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:28 am to
So do we leave water running during the day since temps will stay below freezing?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:28 am to
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One of my outsized spigots was froze this morning despite being covered. I just hit it with a propane torch and got it flowing before the line froze more into the house. Slab on grade and the spigot line is in an insulated wall proving yet again LNCHBOX consistently has bad takes




how you know it was froze? do you go outside, uncover, and test them all?
Posted by cyarrr
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Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:30 am to
So you can’t cite a singe article?

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By the way, I’m not expecting a logical response from you.

Oh no. Whatever shall i do now?


Yep there it is.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:30 am to
You're free to run the calculations.
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