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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:22 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:22 pm to Jim Rockford
I began to hate IVF when a friend of my late wife’s was talking giddily about selectively destroying the girl embryos because they wanted a baseball player. A few weeks later when the boys didn’t implant she was devestated, and I could never understand how she could be upset about this loss in light of how she was joking about destroying the girls.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 10:00 am
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:24 pm to BobRoss
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BobRoss
This guy is bringing some logic into this discussion.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:26 pm to Foch
There are so many things that are “not natural” by God’s original design. But we use them daily. Things as simple as aluminum, plastic, and the electronics used to produce the phone or computer you used to post your criticism of unnatural things. Things like pasteurization, vaccines, and advancements in medicine that have increased our average lifespan by 30+ years. Things like radiation, chemotherapy, and dialysis. If you choose not to pursue those things, that’s your personal decision. So if you disagree with IVF, for whatever reasons you might have, that’s your personal right to avoid them. But when you use your personal beliefs to throw a blanket over those who have differing opinions, you lose people who could further your ministry. You can’t interpret the grey as absolutes. And when you point fingers at “sinners,” you’ve become the sinner.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:30 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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you’re ignorant to what goes on during IVF and the number of babies destroyed to get one to birth.
Is miscarriage a sin? If a woman has miscarried multiple times would it be a sin for her to attempt to conceive another child. She is destroying multiple babies to give life to one.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:30 pm to Jim Rockford
Did God come down and say this or is this mans interpretation and design? That answer will define my answer….
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:35 pm to Dire Wolf
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Much like drinking Baptist will do IVF when no one is looking
Don't forget premarital banging...
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:41 pm to Dawgfanman
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Fwiw I’m not arguing for or against, just don’t see how one can be “pro life” as in life starts at conception and be ok with destroying embryos.
20% of natural pregnancies end in miscarriage. It is also extremely common that embryos that are conceived naturally never implant into a woman’s uterine wall, and as a result, she never becomes pregnant. If you view this as God’s plan, why are you incapable of also viewing a small number of embryos destroyed during the IVF process to also be God’s plan?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:47 pm to BobRoss
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IVF clinics aren't going to destroy your embryos without your consent.
This. And you make an appointment that lasts well over an hour where you and your partner are signing stacks and stacks of legal paperwork regarding every conceivable situation with your embryos.
I only had 3 embryos from my IVF cycle. Not every egg retrieved and fertilized makes it to an embryo. My embryos were genetically tested and 2 of them were totally incompatible with life. Meaning if they implanted them in me my body would reject them and miscarry them. So was I, someone with time not on her side, supposed to still implant those knowing I would miscarry to make some Bible thumping self righteous a-hole happy?
No, instead I did what any other rational person would do that has been in the absolute emotional hell that is fertility treatments...I signed off to have those embryos destroyed. And focused on the one good embryo I was left with. Which actually didn't implant when they transferred it.
So would those backwoods IVF laws these religious nut jobs want mean I was liable because it didn't take???
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:49 pm to TDsngumbo
“I'm pro life but considering IVF as a sin is retarded.”
Religion according to Gumbo
Religion according to Gumbo
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:51 pm to pelicanpride
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This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:51 pm to TDsngumbo
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But I’m not about to tell a woman she’s committing a mortal si
You seem to liken the SBC to the Catholic Church. A vote by the people who show up at the the convention isn't the same as a Papal decree.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:54 pm to Foch
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shotgun blasting multiple embryos into a womb at a single time.
Umm yeah they don't recommend this approach anymore. They may do 2-3 max. And again...you sign so much paperwork acknowledging that this approach can result in multiples.
Most clinics also make you and your partner get psychological assessments as well to make sure you are mentally ready for treatments (at least this was mandatory at my clinic).
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:54 pm to North Dallas Tiger
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Think for a moment about the power to create a human life. The power of creation is sacred. Our power as humans to create a human life in the image of the Great Creator is very Holy and Divine. It's easy to see why. The power of creation is the power of God.
I know people do but I can't fathom going through life thinking like this. I created two lives with my wife, not an invisible (although I guess human because we are in it's likeness) creator that made all things from the smallest subparticals to the outer reaches of the universe and still cares that I worship it and have premarital sex and I guess has a penis because everyone keeps calling it a he.
A rational person would dismiss it offhand for being absolutely ridiculous, just as they would if I said invisible Leprechauns created the world and control everything. You believe because you were brought up being told to believe and that you'll burn in hell if you don't, and since everyone else does to are too scared to face reality and say wtf am I thinking.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:55 pm to lsunurse
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This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:57 pm to Jim Rockford
Baptists have gone full retard again.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:59 pm to Foch
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How many women are encouraged to get abortions because of the "testing"?
No one is "encouraged" to get an abortion. If a pregnant woman does genetic testing while she is pregnant she is given the information and it's up to her to decide what to do with it. It's not some OB/GYN rubbing her hands together with glee because she tells a pregnant woman what her option are in a pregnancy.
I'm pro choice. Have whatever religious beliefs you want....but let a woman decide how and when she starts a family. If her beliefs are against that fine..she is free to use her religious beliefs to guide her. But don't dictate what everyone else can do just because of your religious beliefs.
This post was edited on 6/12/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 6/12/24 at 9:02 pm to lsunurse
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No one is "encouraged" to get an abortion. If a pregnant woman does genetic testing while she is pregnant she is given the information and it's up to her to decide what to do with it
Why don’t you let people who have experienced pregnancy and genetic testing speak on this? (Isn’t that what you said about IVF?). I can say for sure the doctor who did screening on my wife was encouraging abortion. She was older some percentage chance of something was high in his opinion (it was like 10%) so he advised that “most people terminate”..the child he wanted us to terminate just graduated HS.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 9:05 pm to Foch
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So, "gotta break a few eggs/kill a few humans" is now the same as nature occurring and implantation failing to occur due to an unplanned or unknown reason?
I told you that embryos are frequently destroyed during natural conception (miscarriage, failed implantation, chromosomal issues, stillbirth) just as they are frequently destroyed during IVF. I asked why both can’t be considered God’s plan for creating human life? Your best response was that one occurs naturally, and one occurs in a lab. By this logic, you should refuse any medical (i.e. man-made) intervention when you become ill. One path is natural and one is not according to you.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 9:06 pm to lsunurse
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