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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:35 am to bayoubengals88
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:35 am to bayoubengals88
quote:No shite, the born again thing is so non Christian. Except for the Christ guy using it quite a bit.
I was a born again Christian
Yeah, I don't blame you for leaving this kind of talk.
quote:
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
But I will tune in to what a Pope says, or some cat that just got out of the Dallas Seminary.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:36 am to JohnnyKilroy
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By their doctrine, you are going to hell. I’m assuming you and your wife are unrepentant about your choice to go through ivf. According to the church, you and your wife are hell bound.
That’s just not true.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:36 am to tigerfoot
A good thought experiment is to look at the Middle Ages
People were real Christians back then not the fake fancy jean reverse atm “christians” we have today
They didn’t have ivf back then
People were real Christians back then not the fake fancy jean reverse atm “christians” we have today
They didn’t have ivf back then
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:37 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:So if an adult has a six year old in their bedroom, government must stay out of that too?
Government needs to stay out of consenting adult's bedrooms.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:38 am to bayoubengals88
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Actualy, it is religious
in your worldview, it is...
but that's not the only worldview out there.... therefore, it's not exclusively religious.... sorry, bro... i know you think it is b/c it's YOUR worldview, but yeah, it just ain't
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:38 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
So if an adult has a six year old in their bedroom, government must stay out of that too?
When did a six year old become a consenting adult?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:38 am to bayoubengals88
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Government needs to stay out of consenting adult's bedrooms.
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So if an adult has a six year old in their bedroom, government must stay out of that too?
You don't know what "consenting adults" means?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:38 am to tigerfoot
quote:Relax. It's not non-christian. It's just evidence of a particular Christian background that I can do without.
tigerfoot
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:39 am to bayoubengals88
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adult's
don't think they meant to put the apostrophe there, but clearly it's plural, meaning 2 adults, meaning ONLY adults....
your reading comprehension needs work
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:39 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:I'm sorry. I read too fast. Please forgive me.
When did a six year old become a consenting adult?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:40 am to bayoubengals88
Nm
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 10:41 am
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:40 am to TigerDeacon
quote:
If you are talking about someone discarding embryos because they wanted tall blond haired boys, thus destroying all girls and male embryos without those traits, then we are talking about something altogether different.
Yeah these people are freaking out like all these clinics are doing ultra high level genetic engineering. No one is condoning that, and would think the vast majority of couples would hate someone who wasted a perfectly good embryo for something like that.
We were lucky and had like 15 embryos make it to day 5. Only 5 were given a high chance of being viable from visual grading because we chose not to do genetic testing.
Of course, unplanned, thankfully, our second child was conceived naturally.
We are at a moral crossroads about what to do with unused embryos, but for now I am content to continue paying for them to be frozen for the forseeable future.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:40 am to chRxis
quote:But what if my worldview is the correct one?
but that's not the only worldview out there.... therefore, it's not exclusively religious.... sorry, bro... i know you think it is b/c it's YOUR worldview, but yeah, it just ain't
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:40 am to DeafJam73
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That’s just not true.
An unrepentant sinner can make it into heaven under catholic doctrine? Since when?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:42 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
what if my worldview is the correct one?
what if mine is?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:42 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
But what if my worldview is the correct one?
If your worldview is IVF is a sin and should be banned, why should that be the consistent, majority worldview just because it's religious based?
Judaism allows IVF under certain circumstances. Why should your religious worldview take precedent over theirs?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:42 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
But what if my worldview is the correct one?
What if it isn't?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:46 am to chRxis
quote:If it is, then it falls short. Because you believe in truth, yet have no grounds to determine what is true when logic and reason falls short. You might consider just not believing in truth if you want to be consistent.
what if mine is?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:47 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
But what if my worldview is the correct one?
Neither your worldview nor your religion should prohibit me from anything. It prohibits you. Big difference.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:50 am to Philzilla2k
No difference in government and mega religions IMO. Both crooked shams
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