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re: Some idiot from Advocate says "system rigged against poor kids' schools"
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:24 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:24 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
These poor kids are unfortunately the product of a culture where family and education are seen as someone else's responsibility.
It is absolutely a cultural issue. No amount of funding can fix that
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Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:27 pm to secondandshort
Okay, but a guy (and his editor) who is employed by a newspaper should know how to use the right word, and not make a misleading statement in a headline that he can't back up in the frickin article he is publishing.
Edit: especially when it is a controversial topic.
Edit: especially when it is a controversial topic.
This post was edited on 9/16/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:30 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Only way to truly help the kids and make it "fair" is to round them up into boarding schools and not allow any of them to go home to their families.
Thats how stupid this article is. The government will never be able to take the place of a parent and there will always be kids that have worse/better parents than others.
Thats how stupid this article is. The government will never be able to take the place of a parent and there will always be kids that have worse/better parents than others.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:43 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Totally agree with you. I get schools and students are impacted but to say its rigged doesn't make sense. Guy is trying to be controversial but doesn't really have a wronged party.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:45 pm to LSU_postman
And they were able to trick the OP to sharing it in Tiger Droppings.
more clicks = more money. The Advocate thanks OP for vindicating their decision to run this article
more clicks = more money. The Advocate thanks OP for vindicating their decision to run this article
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:47 pm to secondandshort
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Totally agree with you. I get schools and students are impacted but to say its rigged doesn't make sense. Guy is trying to be controversial but doesn't really have a wronged party.
They usually blame all the white people that left the public school system in BR after the forced busing took place. They did leave and the schools went to shite. it's hard to blame someone living in a 350k house off of Jefferson Hwy not wanting to send their kids to Tara with kids from Gus Young. Outside of the magnet schools, John Parker destroyed public education in BR.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:54 pm to East Coast Band
quote:Do you really expect single mom to choose between that nasty crack habit and her silly kid?
rigged as in the majority of the single moms of the students don't give a shite?
Posted on 9/16/17 at 1:55 pm to tigerfan88
quote:A) rigged is absolutely the wrong word, not maybe.
I mean...maybe rigged is the wrong word because it implies a conscious effort. But there's no doubt there's a massive systemic advantage the better your school is. All else being equal, a kid's chances of professional success rise exponentially with quality and prestige of their school.
B) Chances of success don't increase exponentially with school quality, but linearly. And there is an even stronger relationship between the raw number of years in school and success than there is between school quality and success.
C) Both of these factors are lower predictors of success than things like early-life exposure to words. One study in particular concluded that school quality had virtually no impact on critical thinking capacity when controlling for the number of words a child was exposed to in their first year alive. Parents who consistently read to their kids and talked directly to them within the first year of birth saw their children to grown up to be significantly more intelligent than those who didn't. And that held across every level of education and income.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:13 pm to upgrayedd
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So these kids have terrible, 1-parent home lives. The school can spend $1 million/student and it wouldn't make a goddamn difference because these poor kids have shitty parents.
exactly. No matter how much money you throw at this problem, it won't get fixed due to home life.
I have employees that act the same way when they miss work or are late. I am having issues at the house, my girl left or can't seem to get on top. I figured it up and between a pair of brothers (literal brothers and they are white) that work for me, they missed enough work last month to cost them about 1300 dollars but they complain they are short on rent or bills. At some point, you have to own up to it and take care of your shite, every one has problems and other things to take care of.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:24 pm to funnystuff
All very good points. I said success, not intelligence though. The name and prestige associated with your school, and the connections gained therein, can matter as much if not more than how much a student actually learns there.
Which is why I said all things being equal. Stick two kids with equal exposure to early childhood learning, really just equal intelligence/work ethic/ambition/etc, and place one in a New England prep school and one in a S LA prep school. Oddsmakers couldn't set the line high enough that the kid in the New England prep school will be more professionally successful
Which is why I said all things being equal. Stick two kids with equal exposure to early childhood learning, really just equal intelligence/work ethic/ambition/etc, and place one in a New England prep school and one in a S LA prep school. Oddsmakers couldn't set the line high enough that the kid in the New England prep school will be more professionally successful
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:27 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
Genetics is a MF
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:29 pm to SMU Tiger Fan
It's rigged in the sense that it expects every kid from every situation to achieve the same standard. And expects teachers to fix multi-generational social issues that they simply can't fix in a short time in a classroom.
You'd essentially need to do what the West End School has done here as a private school and physical give some of these kids room and board to get them off the street and mostly out of the hands of parents who are just part of a self perpetuated cycle of poverty and violence.
You'd essentially need to do what the West End School has done here as a private school and physical give some of these kids room and board to get them off the street and mostly out of the hands of parents who are just part of a self perpetuated cycle of poverty and violence.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:31 pm to Warfarer
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At some point, you have to own up to it and take care of your shite, every one has problems and other things to take care of.
I'm genuinely curious as to how a 10 year old should do that when they're dependent upon the shitty people in their life to have food to eat, somewhere to sleep, etc.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:33 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm genuinely curious as to how a 10 year old should do that when they're dependent upon the shitty people in their life to have food to eat, somewhere to sleep, etc.
you are correct but I didn't mean it that way.
i wasn't necessarily talking about the kids in that situation as much as the people that should be looking out for them owning up to their shite and taking care of what they need to.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
How is that the school's fault? How is the system "rigged" against the school?
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:39 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
These poor kids are unfortunately the product of a culture where family and education are seen as someone else's responsibility.
Exactly
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:47 pm to tduecen
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More money is dumped into "poor" schools however if the parents don't care, the students don't care, and eventually the teachers don't care.
I have a distant cousin that is a principal at one of "these" schools.
Supposedly they get more money, newer computers, textbooks & equipment than "other" schools
Posted on 9/16/17 at 2:52 pm to SeeeeK
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Ed Prat is white, correct
No, he's a black editorial writer employed by the Advocate.
quote:
I do love when White people tell other White people about how blacks feel and the shite we have done to them.
Prat is obviously not doing that, he's trying to provide an argument for letting blacks get ahead somehow because the current system is rigged against blacks.
The facts are kids from better families, families with good jobs, and families that achieve are better off.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 3:02 pm to doubleb
Bad parents are the only ones rigging things--against their own kids.
How about we teach males to man up, and females to close their legs?
Posted on 9/16/17 at 3:12 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
The system is rigged against the kids who are morally impoverished. Kids that raise themselves tend to be morally impoverished. Nearly 80% of black kids nationwide are in single parent homes. Rinse . Wash. Repeat.
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