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Some historical figures just astound you with their stupidity
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:14 am
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:14 am
I was doing some reading on William Naipier. He was assigned to be “superintendent of trade to canton” in China in the 1830s.
Everyone knew this guy was horrible for the post. Parliament tried to keep him from getting it for months and the prime minister refused until the king asked him to let Napier get the post as a personal favor. So Napier got appointed. To a position of no power. All he was supposed to do was negotiate better trade conditions if petitioned. Otherwise he was just to sit back and take a pay check.
He asked the minister of foreign affairs what powers he had, and the minister of foreign affairs said he had none and it was expected he would abase himself before his host country as needed to ensure trade continued. He was told if there was any hiccup in relations, to apologize and send word from instructions to England and placate the canton officials in the meantime.
Despite being told numerous times he had no offical power, in his first journal entry upon leaving Britain, he wrote “I am the new emperor of China.”
He read all the information he could on his new position and declared it all useless.
He showed up in Canton and demanded to see the governor who was like “no, your just a random trade offical with no power.”
So, Napier, being a naval capitain, in one of the first examples of gunboat diplomacy, orders several frigates up the river and he has several forts attacked though no one was hurt.
Meanwhile he’s sieged in his compound where he gets sick and pretty soon dies and crisis is suspended.
I’m usually pretty objective when reading about history but this guy was just like really annoying to read about he was so pig headed about it.
Everyone knew this guy was horrible for the post. Parliament tried to keep him from getting it for months and the prime minister refused until the king asked him to let Napier get the post as a personal favor. So Napier got appointed. To a position of no power. All he was supposed to do was negotiate better trade conditions if petitioned. Otherwise he was just to sit back and take a pay check.
He asked the minister of foreign affairs what powers he had, and the minister of foreign affairs said he had none and it was expected he would abase himself before his host country as needed to ensure trade continued. He was told if there was any hiccup in relations, to apologize and send word from instructions to England and placate the canton officials in the meantime.
Despite being told numerous times he had no offical power, in his first journal entry upon leaving Britain, he wrote “I am the new emperor of China.”
He read all the information he could on his new position and declared it all useless.
He showed up in Canton and demanded to see the governor who was like “no, your just a random trade offical with no power.”
So, Napier, being a naval capitain, in one of the first examples of gunboat diplomacy, orders several frigates up the river and he has several forts attacked though no one was hurt.
Meanwhile he’s sieged in his compound where he gets sick and pretty soon dies and crisis is suspended.
I’m usually pretty objective when reading about history but this guy was just like really annoying to read about he was so pig headed about it.
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:26 am to athenslife101
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 7:27 am
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:33 am to athenslife101
Nicholas II has to be up there.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:35 am to athenslife101
Indira Gandhi chose her bodyguards poorly.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:36 am to athenslife101
Marcuss Crassus and his Parthian failure comes to mind. Crassus wasn’t a stupid man, he was the richest man in Rome at the time of Julius Caesar and one of the richest men of all time, his monetary backing is what allowed Caesar to behave the way he did.
What he did in Parthia to get himself killed was insanely stupid. He was a member of the First Triumvirate with Caesar and Pompey, but he wasn’t loved and respected like them, he was there because of his wealth not because of his status or fame, the other two were military heroes.
In his desire for military fame he got himself appointed governor of Syria and decided a nice conquest of Parthia would give him glory. Unfortunately for him he was not a great military general for a reason. He stupidly let a Parthian guide named Ariamnes lead him and his men straight into a trap. He was killed at the Battle of Carrhae a long with most of his men, and SEVEN Roman Eagles were taken which was a huge disgrace in Rome.
The Romans kind of had a knack for this around this time. A similar event happened at the infamous Battle of Totenberg forest, you’d think the Romans would stop trusting local guides
What he did in Parthia to get himself killed was insanely stupid. He was a member of the First Triumvirate with Caesar and Pompey, but he wasn’t loved and respected like them, he was there because of his wealth not because of his status or fame, the other two were military heroes.
In his desire for military fame he got himself appointed governor of Syria and decided a nice conquest of Parthia would give him glory. Unfortunately for him he was not a great military general for a reason. He stupidly let a Parthian guide named Ariamnes lead him and his men straight into a trap. He was killed at the Battle of Carrhae a long with most of his men, and SEVEN Roman Eagles were taken which was a huge disgrace in Rome.
The Romans kind of had a knack for this around this time. A similar event happened at the infamous Battle of Totenberg forest, you’d think the Romans would stop trusting local guides
Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:48 am to athenslife101
Has anyone ever read the story on Charles J. Guiteau? The man who assassinated James Garfield?
On second thought... maybe he wasn't stupid. Just insane.
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Guiteau falsely believed he had played a major role in Garfield's victory, for which he should be rewarded with a consulship. He was so offended by the Garfield administration's rejections of his applications to serve in Vienna or Paris that he decided to kill Garfield, and shot him at the Baltimore and Potomac Railroad Station in Washington, D.C.
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Once Garfield died, the government officially charged Guiteau with murder. He was formally indicted on October 14, 1881, on the charge of murder, which was previously attempted murder after his arrest. Guiteau pleaded not guilty to the charge. The trial began on November 17, 1881, in Washington, D.C. The presiding judge in the case was Walter Smith Cox. Although Guiteau would insist on trying to represent himself during the entire trial, the court appointed Leigh Robinson to defend Guiteau.
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uiteau became something of a media sensation during his entire trial for his bizarre behavior, which included his frequently cursing and insulting the judge, most of the witnesses, the prosecution, and even his defense team, as well as formatting his testimony in epic poems which he recited at length, and soliciting legal advice from random spectators in the audience via passed notes. He dictated an autobiography to the New York Herald, ending it with a personal ad for "a nice Christian lady under 30 years of age". He was oblivious to the American public's hatred of him, even after he was almost assassinated twice himself. He frequently smiled and waved at spectators and reporters in and out of the courtroom.
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Guiteau sent a letter in which he argued that Arthur should set him free because he had just increased Arthur's salary by making him president.[41] At one point, Guiteau argued before Cox that Garfield was killed not by the bullets but by medical malpractice ("The doctors killed Garfield, I just shot him").[
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To the end, Guiteau was making plans to start a lecture tour after his perceived imminent release and to run for president himself in 1884... After the guilty verdict was read, Guiteau stepped forward, despite his lawyers' efforts to tell him to be quiet, and yelled at the jury saying "You are all low, consummate jackasses!" plus a further stream of curses and obscenities before he was taken away by guards to his cell to await execution. Guiteau appealed his conviction, but his appeal was rejected.
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While being led to his execution, Guiteau was said to have continued to smile and wave at spectators and reporters. He notoriously danced his way to the gallows and shook hands with his executioner. On the scaffold, as a last request, he recited a poem called "I am Going to the Lordy", which he had written during his incarceration. He had originally requested an orchestra to play as he sang his poem, but this request was denied.[46] As per request with the executioner, Guiteau signaled that he was ready to die by dropping the paper. After he finished reading his poem, a black hood was placed over the smiling Guiteau's head and moments later the gallows trapdoor was sprung, the rope breaking his neck instantly with the fall.[4
On second thought... maybe he wasn't stupid. Just insane.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:12 am to theGarnetWay
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On second thought... maybe he wasn't stupid. Just insane.
Now we have thousands of people like this with Facebook accounts.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:12 am to athenslife101
General Leopoldo Galtieri, former President of Argentina, his term began in December of '81.
England is led by two woman, Queen Elizabeth and Margret Thatcher, lets go to war with them. He took the Falkland Islands in April 1982, a month later the British Navy arrived. Three weeks later he was out of office.
England is led by two woman, Queen Elizabeth and Margret Thatcher, lets go to war with them. He took the Falkland Islands in April 1982, a month later the British Navy arrived. Three weeks later he was out of office.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:32 am to Tiger1242
Yeah Crassus was pretty thick in the head. He also refused passage through friendly Armenian territory to get to Parthia. Marching through mountains would have given his legions protection against Parthian attacks, which consisted of 90% cavalry.
But no - let's ignore our ally's offers for help and guidance and march straight out into the wide open Syrian desert.
But no - let's ignore our ally's offers for help and guidance and march straight out into the wide open Syrian desert.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:48 am to athenslife101
Hitler seemed determined to be a dumbass. He insisted on the Russian strategy that ended in disaster and lost a huge number of troops for him. He insisted that the V-2 rocket be stationary and not movable, which would have been far more devastating. And of course, he insisted on fatally incorrect troop and artillery movements in preparation for D Day, which allowed the Allies to more easily penetrate into France and eventually win the war.
Hitler was either a moron who inexplicably rose to power, or he just wasn't trying to win. The D Day decisions could be explained off, but decisions like the one he made with the V-2 make me wonder if it's not the latter.
And it was always angry. He'd always pitch a hissy fit and demand that they do these stupid things. It makes no sense to me.
Hitler was either a moron who inexplicably rose to power, or he just wasn't trying to win. The D Day decisions could be explained off, but decisions like the one he made with the V-2 make me wonder if it's not the latter.
And it was always angry. He'd always pitch a hissy fit and demand that they do these stupid things. It makes no sense to me.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:51 am to blueboy
Surprised no one has done a Hitler on canceling college football video yet.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:55 am to athenslife101
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Despite being told numerous times he had no offical power, in his first journal entry upon leaving Britain, he wrote “I am the new emperor of China.”
Like a boss.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:05 am to athenslife101
Ahh...the Opium Wars.
Fun times.
Fun times.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:06 am to biglego
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Like a boss
Where I am in the book, his friends who don’t like the governor of canton are trying to martyr him and saying that Britain should go to war for vengeance of him dying of typhus.
Meanwhile, the dude who came to replace him did things properly. He told the Governor like “hey, I’m just here to make sure our sailors behave” and the Chinese ga e him a bunch of honors.
I do think things are about to go very down hill because at some point the opium wars start and there’s not that much left in the book but the author is laying it in strong with the comparisons
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:10 am to blueboy
quote:. What makes no sense is why the Germans were still fighting in 1945. The gig had long been up on the eastern front. How could Hitler keep his soldiers (and many times captive foreign soldiers) from saying “frick this, I surrender”? Why did the field commanders keep fighting? Why not settle up with the Allies to avoid annihilation by the Soviets?
It makes no sense to me.
The general answer is ideology. The German high command was filled with the best Nazis, not the best generals. But that answer seems too easy.
I need to find a book on the subject.
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