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re: Some hi-res footage of vehicles vs nukes.

Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:58 pm to
If the paint is burning off why don't the tires catch on fire or explode
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Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
76075 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:00 pm to
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If the paint is burning off why don't the tires catch on fire or explode


The same reason radio waves can travel through empty space without a medium.
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
15302 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:32 pm to
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Both my grandfathers were there for the atomic bomb testing




You've just made me want to watch Manhattan again. Great series.
This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 6:56 am
Posted by UnitedFruitCompany
Bay Area
Member since Nov 2018
4228 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:33 pm to
This was perfect. Thank you. Seriously.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8862 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:39 pm to
If air does not attenuate thermal radiation, what happens to the civilian crouched behind that car, before the blast wave hits?
I figured in a real life situation that the thermal energy conducted by solid surfaces facing the blast would heat the air instantly by convection to several hundred degrees. Is that correct?
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
12189 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:52 pm to
A friend was on Eniwetok for at least six months as an engineer officer for part of the clean up (moving the soil into sarcofagasses (?spelling) . Their sport: shooting rats.

He's dead of C in his early 50s, less than 30 years later. He always used to joke " His kids would glow in the dark."
Posted by Gringo44
Member since Jun 2009
749 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:46 pm to
Real talk at what point do I die? The part where the paint comes off the cars or when the cars get knocked over? And how much suffering do I go through?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:08 pm to
Note to self: DO NOT HIDE IN A TENT TO ESCAPE A NUCLEAR DETONATION.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:17 pm to
That video of the Tsar Bomb is terrifying. Imagine that bastard going off in a major city.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 10:23 pm
Posted by GetEmTigers08
Mississippi
Member since Dec 2007
1242 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:29 pm to
This stuff has always fascinated me. My papaw was stationed at Caribou AF Base in Maine during Korea, and told me so many interesting stories when I got older about it being a SAC/AEC base and having Q clearance after the feds interviewed his entire family and close friends. Said they always kept the core and initiator separate until the moment they were loaded in the bomber, and how the base was surrounded by multiple fences, with one being electrified. Apparently, it was one of the first bases the US had that had atomics and alert ready aircraft. His only regret was declining an offer to work as a civilian at Oak Ridge after the AF

I’ve always wondered what type of bomb they were putting together at that point, he was in from ‘50-‘54 but he said he never knew. The way the he described made me think it was probably fission, but I know the hydrogen bombs were developed just not sure when they actually entered service.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:49 pm to
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If air does not attenuate thermal radiation, what happens to the civilian crouched behind that car, before the blast wave hits?

They're in the shadow of the car. The air is very transparent to the thermal radiation. The car, on the other hand, isn't. Thermal radiation is just UV, visible, and infrared light. Really REALLY bright UV, visible, and infrared light, but still just light. If you're behind something opaque to those wavelengths, they'll cast a shadow and the thermal radiation might not be bright enough to just vaporize you directly because the thing casting a shadow is absorbing or reflecting that light. Of course, the car is heating up because it's absorbing all that light so you don't, and it's on fire. Whatever's behind the car that you're near that isn't in the shadow of the car is on fire. The grass is on fire. The building across the street? On fire. You might not get instantly incinerated by the thermal radiation, but everything around you is on fire. Then the shockwave traveling just at the speed of sound hits and the winds are several hundred miles an hour. Now you're on fire and flying toward that building across the street, but GOOD NEWS; If you're close enough, the winds will likely put out the fire you're covered in. However, BAD NEWS; the winds will turn everything around you into very flammable rubble. WORSE NEWS: the wind will reverse and rush back toward ground zero because something's got to rush in to fill the hole in the air where that giant rising fireball forming the mushroom cloud used to be. That wind isn't as strong as the outgoing wind, so it's going to be dragging the fire from just a little farther out that the blast didn't extinguish. Now you've been set on fire, thrown through the air into a building while the several hundred mile an hour wind blew the fire out and crumbled the building you just slammed into, and you're about to be on fire again, along with all the flammable rubble around you. It's really a moot point if you're close enough for the thermal radiation to be intense enough to ignite things. You're pretty much fricked. I think Cameron got close to what it would be like in the apocalypse scene from T2.

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Real talk at what point do I die? The part where the paint comes off the cars or when the cars get knocked over? And how much suffering do I go through?
Yes. See above. Take your pick.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 11:16 pm
Posted by GetEmTigers08
Mississippi
Member since Dec 2007
1242 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:05 pm to
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“Real talk at what point do I die?”


Don’t make it a drawn-out affair. Stand in the open and take those gamma/x-rays like a boss. Billions of tiny bullets cutting through your entire body instantaneously, effectively turning you into a glob of ions, in which death is instant. If death if assured, this is much better than kind of surviving until the thermal radiation and blast finish you off.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:11 pm to
Well, at least there's some good news.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:21 pm to
Don't worry it'll buff out.
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
6013 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 12:13 am to
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IS that just dust flying off the objects before the shock wave hits?


paint
Posted by RichardS
I come from a land down under
Member since Oct 2014
641 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:03 am to
This website is pretty interesting. Select anywhere on earth to nuke, the type of bomb, the yield, surface vs air burst, etc. It returns deaths, casualties, burns, fall out, etc.

Nuke Map
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:08 am to
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IS that just dust flying off the objects before the shock wave hits?


That's whatever paint is on the surfaces vaporizing from the flash of heat.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:56 am to
I can't believe we actually tested these bombs like this. We as a species can be so fricking stupid.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:02 am to
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Real talk at what point do I die?


If you're fortunate enough, you'll be incinerated by the initial blast. I'd consider that an act of mercy.
Posted by Reda LSU
Los Angeles
Member since Jan 2013
4230 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 8:24 am to


The Soviets designed the Tsar Bomba

This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 8:31 am
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