re: Society melting due to lack of fathers in the home

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lack of fathers

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The high presence of shitty mothers is where society needs to point the finger.

In previous generations, the father was gone most of the time at work while the mothers raised the kids at home.

There's a reason Harry Chapin wrote the song in the 70's...

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"When you coming home, dad?" "I don't know when"
But we'll get together then
You know we'll have a good time then

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I don't care how nice the parents are, a teenage boy growing up with two moms is not normal and is terrible for his development. Same with a teenage girl growing up with two dads.

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Couldn't agree more with that. Females (mothers) by nature give us nurturing necessary to early development and balance later in life. Men (fathers) provide us with structure, an example of what a man should be for a daughter when she one day marries, and for a son who they want to aspire to as a man. Both combined reflect the nature of God and His intentions for a well rounded human being in care and concern as well as responsible and pragmatic.

Fathers also reflect how we see God, and this we take with us throughout the rest of our lives. If he is a good father who is kind, loving, approachable and yet asserts his authority, then we will see God in the right context and approach Him much easier. Bad fathers however who are tyrants, abusive, weak, or not approachable will similarly cause people to not come to God because that’s their understanding of what a “father” is. Those without any father will have no connection to this and see God as simply MIA.

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bullshite. Men and women are different. Men play a different role in raising a child than women. Women play a different role than men. It has always been this way since the dawn of time but in our modern hubris we think we are smarter than every generation before us just because we have iPhones a Netflix.

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no, parents are roles. It doesn't matter the sex, as long as the role is filled. Some families the female is the breadwinner, some the male. Some families, the father is the disciplinarian and some the mother. the point is, is that they are just roles, it doesn't matter who plays the part as long as that part is getting played. A single parent is at a tremendous disadvantage, because you are asking one person to fill a bunch of parts of a kids life, its nearly impossible to do. Two parents even if the same sex are more likely to fill those roles, and do a better job than a single parent.

In a perfect world, all parents would be the man and woman that created the child, but we don't live in a perfect world if you haven't noticed. So, the next best thing is getting those roles filled for the development of the child.

Your stance on role "x" must be filled by Man and role "y" must be filled by female leaves no room for the nuances that life throws at us. Life isn't all black and white, there is "grey" and several shades of "gray" all throughout, nothing is just this is the only way.

as much as it pains me to ever agree with you, i would lean towards there being 2 parents and the quality of the parents as a larger factor. Although, i don’t want to discount young boys needing a strong fatherly figure in their lives necessary for development.

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Your stance on role "x" must be filled by Man and role "y" must be filled by female leaves no room for the nuances that life throws at us. Life isn't all black and white, there is "grey" and several shades of "gray" all throughout, nothing is just this is the only way.

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Using the exception to the rule to justify throwing away thousands of years of human history and experience is ignorant and an invention of modern hubris.

Of course there are some women who exhibit typically male characteristics and some men who do the same with female characteristics. These are atypical and don’t mean gender is all of a sudden meaningless. It reminds me of the argument the left tries to make around the mens and womens sports debate. Of course the strongest female power lifter is stronger than a lot of men. But she would get demolished by the male power lifters. Of course the fastest female sprinter can beat me in a race, but she would get wrecked by the males at your local high school. Men and women are fundamentally different and men cannot pretend to be women.

Yes there are women who are type A and want to be running things. Yes there are men who are submissive and nurturing. But they are still men and women. If we start pretending two men and two women are the same thing and a mom and dad then don’t be shocked in 50 years when our society is even more screwed up than it is now.

Courts need to stop being so tilted towards mothers too. Women get vindictive and use courts to keep kids from fathers and it’s fricking wrong.

Joint custody should be mandatory except in extreme cases where one parent is a complete frick up and a danger to the child

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71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

Father Factor in Education – Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.

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Something’s not adding up

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You are focusing on “fathers”. It’s really the lack of a 2 parent house hold. Whether it is two dudes or two ladies or a traditional man and a woman. Kids need attention, support, and love, one person can’t do this very well on their own, especially if the home has more than one child. The biggest mistake by libs is encouraging single parent house holds, the old “you don’t need a man”. Raising a child is the single most important thing to do in this world, and it is nearly the hardest thing to do. Why would you want to encourage someone to try to do it on their own? I’m not saying that is impossible, but it takes a very special person to do it correctly by themselves.

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No it’s fathers. I guarantee when my boys see my body language and hear my tone vs the roughest, toughest front my wife can display, shite gets moving in the right direction post haste.

When I’m done, it’s my wife’s job to nurture the wake I created. Then my job to explain why I created the wake.

That’s how it’s done.

I think the symptoms of not belonging to a nuclear family lead to most of those statistics you listed, Mike.

Single income household means less money. Less money either leads to state dependence or a single parent working multiple jobs to make ends meet. Distracted parents working multiple jobs have less time to concentrate on raising their children. Unsupervised children don't do as well in school and learn skills from their peers instead of their parents. They often seek "family" connections with similarly disaffected peers in their neighborhoods or communities. And on and on and on....

Privatization of prisons has had an ENORMOUS impact on fatherless homes. We imprison more men, per capita, than any Western nation in the world, flirting with the imprisonment rates of third world nations.

Society's acceptance of divorce has obviously had a huge impact, as well. Thankfully, after the Boomers pushed divorce rates over 50%, later generations are waiting to get married and more often staying in marriages.



All that said, this is one hell of a subject to discuss on this board considering the nearly unanimous celebration of the repeal of RvW. You think fatherless homes are an issue now?! Just wait.

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Yet another excuse for grown men who refuse to take personal responsibility and accountability for their actions. The lack of accountability is the single biggest driver in all of this shite.

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I don't think prison is an excuse, it's a direct contributor to fatherless homes...which is the subject of this thread. Privatization of prisons has led to mass incarceration, oftentimes for completely victimless crimes. Pretty tough to be a father when you're locked up for five years due to having a pound of weed in your car. Responsible to have the weed? Of course not. Should the punishment be 5 years in jail and a child at home without a father? I, personally, don't think so.