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re: So we went to pizzeria this eve and had the opportunity to get waited on by a tranny
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:00 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:00 am to upgrayedd
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The tactic now, and in the future, is being accepting of these groups isn't sufficient. You have to be anti-racist, anti-transphobic, etc in order to achieve the perception of being "tolerant". So unless you're actively promoting these groups and trying to destroy everyone who disagrees with their lifestyles then you're a nazi.
so, in order to combat this, I should do what, exactly?
if I'm not "antitrans" does that make me an ally to these people and therefore a marxist?
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:00 am to ShoeBang
hey man, if you’re cool with a tranny babysitter. do you.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:01 am to upgrayedd
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For the most part, "gender dysphoria" is an identical mental condition to anorexia. A person sees themselves in the mirror, is convinced they're severely flawed, and goes to extreme measures to change their body into the vision they have in their head. It's pretty insane to watch the medical world go to the ends of the earth in order to make this mental condition not only normal, but celebrated. It's also bizarre to watch them seek out and destroy anyone who opposes something as insane as giving a child puberty blockers.
Unfortunately our culture has made it such that being a critic of the trans movement or the social mandates associated with it can just be written off as being merely hateful, bigoted, etc.
Now that is lazy.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:02 am to Salmon
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so, in order to combat this, I should do what, exactly?
Tell the truth. Don't get uncomfortable when confronted about telling the truth.
You can do the above and be polite. You can do the above and not walk out of a pizza place in disgust. But if you're told to use pronouns or acknowledge that a female is actually a male...
say no.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
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is a hill worth dying on
quote:Truth matters, but the truth here is that is such a small segment of society and minuscule part of everyone’s life except for the few trans people, that it is clearly mostly being used as a wedge issue because it moves the needle.
Truth matters.
I can live around and be served pizza by someone who denies the truth that there are only two genders and surgery, hormone therapy, etc. doesn’t change that.
If it is an issue that truly matters, we can work toward studies and therapies that best address this specific mental defect. That isn’t what people are generally concerned with. Mostly, they want to divide and profit.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:04 am to Korkstand
quote:I went to school with someone like this. They chose the wrong sex at birth (female), and ended up having to revert from female back to male the summer before 7th grade.
Some parents choose to have their child undergo surgery to assign a more definite sex shortly after birth.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:05 am to Pettifogger
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Tell the truth. Don't get uncomfortable when confronted about telling the truth.
Its what I always try to do
unfortunately, that is not enough for a lot of people these days, as its already been stated, you have to be "anti" whatever or you are perceived as an ally
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:06 am to p&g
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I said F this, politely got the family up out of our seats and excused ourselves without incident other than me saying everybody has a choice.
I’ll exercise My choice to where I spend my money while on vacation.
#notwoke
CSB
Sorry to hear your anniversary dinner was ruined. You should have stuck with Walk On's.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:08 am to Salmon
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unfortunately, that is not enough for a lot of people these days, as its already been stated, you have to be "anti" whatever or you are perceived as an ally
polarization.
i think we can admit it’s coming from both sides and we can see that clearly in this thread. look at the last few posts.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:09 am to mmmmmbeeer
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I think the "line" will stop moving when people just learn to stfu and accept others for who/what they are.
That's complete bullshite. There isn't one single "equality movement" in this country today that wants acceptance. They want power over people and they want an advantage. That whole diatribe you went on about "professionalism" and "appropriate behavior" would be considered a rant out of Mein Kampf to these groups.
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Like, what, 2-3 years ago you had a rash of freaking "bathroom bills" that were the result of nothing more than straight anti-LGBTQ fearmongering. Hell, it's STILL a talking point on the right. Culture wars drive votes (left and right).
No one is talking about bathrooms any more. The activists have found easier end-arounds than legislation. Just like we see the government utilizing social media companies to silence people, these activists have essentially taken over corporate culture in order to inflict their will on the masses. I can see a time in the next 5-10 years where a black list is created by/for large companies to ban customers from using their services. It's going to happen and the usual suspects around here will regurgitate "muh private business" and "just be more tolerant" ad nauseum.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:10 am to WDE24
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Truth matters, but the truth here is that is such a small segment of society and minuscule part of everyone’s life except for the few trans people, that it is clearly mostly being used as a wedge issue because it moves the needle.
I don't think so. When kids shows are incorporating trans flags for pride, public schools are discussing gender identity and booksellers are banning mainstream books critical of a movement that prompted historically unprecedented numbers of teen girls to identify as trans, I don't think it's a minuscule part of life.
And more so, I think the instinct of "it's really small, don't let them divide us" as academia, corporate culture, government, the healthcare apparatus, entertainment, etc. all feature the issue...is going to cost our culture quite a lot.
Simply put, big, powerful entities don't treat it as a small issue. So when normal Americans are told "hey don't let it bother you, live your life, etc." that advice is essentially saying "these entities aren't going to stop, but you should stop."
I know that's not your point, but that's the practical implication. It's why we're here as a culture. It's why we're an abnormality in the civilized world as to our obsession on this. This isn't some euro-export we're adopting. We're the world leader in this insanity.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:10 am to Pettifogger
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Unfortunately our culture has made it such that being a critic of the trans movement or the social mandates associated with it can just be written off as being merely hateful, bigoted, etc.
How do you treat people with eating disorders?
Most of us agree you don’t get up and leave the restaurant, but you go out of your way to tell strangers they’re too skinny? Do you kick your kids out of the house?l because they’re anorexic?
People want to argue the mental illness to delegitimize this, but then they want to turn around and treat them like perverts and serial killers.
Simply put, if you treat trans people like shite you’re not concerned for their mental health.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:10 am to Pettifogger
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So when sensible people bend to the will of an aggressive group of people who demand the first group change their thinking, the line will stop moving?
You can think whatever the hell you want. Talk to your friends and families about a particular group however the hell you want.
But pushing for legislation to limit the rights of other individuals? Spewing hateful words in the faces of other individuals? Refusing to speak with/interact with someone because they're different than you? Unnecessary and purely counterproductive.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:11 am to R11
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My thoughts were maybe the Op just has convictions about what he believes is right and wrong, especially that kids were involved and decided to remove his family from the scene? Is that not enough and a just reason? To each his own.
This isn’t really a situation that calls for a judgment of what is right and what is wrong. It only calls for a judgment about whether the individual can bring chips and salsa to the table in a timely fashion.
It’s a WAITER. Even if that person for some reason wants to be called a waitress, why does anyone care? Eat dinner with your family and don’t get all wound up by what the server looks like or anything else that doesn’t conform with your media influenced world view.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:12 am to Klark Kent
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polarization.
i think we can admit it’s coming from both sides and we can see that clearly in this thread. look at the last few posts.
well your first post in this thread is also an example
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:13 am to Salmon
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so, in order to combat this, I should do what, exactly?
if I'm not "antitrans" does that make me an ally to these people and therefore a marxist?
There's only one side pushing that dogma and it's not the side that will accuse you of being a marxist for not being antitrans. I don't know how to combat it, but lying to yourself that it's just harmless activism designed to make people more acceptant of others isn't a good start.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:14 am to Salmon
fair. it certainly grinded your gears
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:15 am to Pettifogger
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Unfortunately our culture has made it such that being a critic of the trans movement or the social mandates associated with it can just be written off as being merely hateful, bigoted, etc.
Now that is lazy.
It's not lazy, it's just a way to gain control over people.
Of course, the irony of these groups making these issues so extremely binary while preaching about how everything in their lives is non-binary, nuanced, and fluid is not lost on me.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:17 am to SammyTiger
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How do you treat people with eating disorders?
Most of us agree you don’t get up and leave the restaurant, but you go out of your way to tell strangers they’re too skinny? Do you kick your kids out of the house?l because they’re anorexic?
People want to argue the mental illness to delegitimize this, but then they want to turn around and treat them like perverts and serial killers.
Simply put, if you treat trans people like shite you’re not concerned for their mental health.
"This isn't normal and isn't healthy, but we care about you and want to help you."
Which is absolutely a minority position when it comes to cultural voices on the trans issue.
But, yes, the above is an oversimplification. Because the reality is that sexual abnormality probably does correlate to varying forms of deviancy. I don't know if that's innate to the abnormality or something socially-driven. But the urge to have cross dressing weirdos read to small children is not normal or ok, for example. And accordingly, that gets worked into the analysis for certain groups, like parents.
So while I have no desire to treat trans folks like perverts, I'm also not going to test the case with my children.
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