re: So we went to pizzeria this eve and had the opportunity to get waited on by a tranny

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can we also assume the “line” will continue to move over the next decade or so?

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as in more acceptance? sure

and as long as they are not actively harming anyone and are able to perform their jobs effectively, I don't view that as a bad thing

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As a general rule? I’m not sure. I can’t think of a job off the top of my head.

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I actually think there are a lot of jobs where professionalism trumps personal expression.

As an example, I was taking my daughter and her friend to school last year, both 15yo girls. Daughter gets a text from someone in class that Mr. SoandSo is wearing heels. Much to the chagrin of my daughter and her friend, who gave me hell for being "anti-trans", I was livid that this male teacher was wearing heels in class. I wasn't upset by him being trans or what have you, I was upset that his expression would clearly lead to an enormous distraction to students who are there to learn, not admire/disdain his choice in footwear.

The girls were clearly pissed at me and they made me feel like I was turning into an old, crotchety Trump guy. But I still believe that personal expression should be limited in professional environments. I wouldn't be cool with a straight female teacher wearing Daisy Dukes to class, nor a straight male teacher wearing skin tight jeans to highlight his junk. There's a time and a place.

A pizza place? Express yourself all you want unless there is a uniform mandate.

I wouldn't support mental illness either

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I like pizza too, but what do you do if you have your young children there with you who have never experienced such a thing when, as we all know, they are plenty perceptive enough to note an incongruity in the situation. Do you have "the talk" with them right there over pizza, even if the talk must necessarily include your voicing disapproval of the situation? Do you simply ignore it, knowing your children will likely be very confused over their observations? Or do you leave?

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I guess it depends on how the kid is. I would assume that most young kids would probably just assume that they tranny was a really ugly woman

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demand everyone else deal with it."
On some level we all have to learn to deal with people and their mental issues. This isn’ta whole lot different other than it looks a lot more strange outwardly.

It’s such a minuscule part of society, but as usual, we are letting politicians, cable news hosts, radio talk show hosts, etc. use it as a wedge issue for their own gain while dividing society more.

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This is very, very different. Nobody has riotous marches for bipolar people. Nobody creates a nationwide campaign to protect schizophrenics and portrays them as the victim of hatred (when their victimization is largely within the community).

I strongly disagree on this being a mere wedge issue. Mandating that people accept you can change your sex is a litmus test for liberalism. "Trans people are bad" is not a hill worth dying on. "We've reworked science to allow for gender dysphoria such that it's not considered mental illness despite extremely high suicide rates, correlated issues, etc." is a hill worth dying on.

Truth matters. Not my truth or your truth, actual truth. And actual truth, as you seem to acknowledge, is that transgenderism is the product of mental defect. A society that not only lies about that but calls you a bad human being for saying that is much more than a wedge issue.

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We can actually see the line move in real time. The tactic now, and in the future, is being accepting of these groups isn't sufficient. You have to be anti-racist, anti-transphobic, etc in order to achieve the perception of being "tolerant". So unless you're actively promoting these groups and trying to destroy everyone who disagrees with their lifestyles then you're a nazi.

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I think the "line" will stop moving when people just learn to stfu and accept others for who/what they are. Like, what, 2-3 years ago you had a rash of freaking "bathroom bills" that were the result of nothing more than straight anti-LGBTQ fearmongering. Hell, it's STILL a talking point on the right. Culture wars drive votes (left and right).

exactly. but we won’t admit that in this thread.

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accept others for who/what they are

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unless they disagree with your beliefs, correct?

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I think the "line" will stop moving when people just learn to stfu and accept others for who/what they are. Like, what, 2-3 years ago you had a rash of freaking "bathroom bills" that were the result of nothing more than straight anti-LGBTQ fearmongering. Hell, it's STILL a talking point on the right. Culture wars drive votes (left and right).

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So when sensible people bend to the will of an aggressive group of people who demand the first group change their thinking, the line will stop moving?

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Truth matters. Not my truth or your truth, actual truth. And actual truth, as you seem to acknowledge, is that transgenderism is the product of mental defect. A society that not only lies about that but calls you a bad human being for saying that is much more than a wedge issue.

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For the most part, "gender dysphoria" is an identical mental condition to anorexia. A person sees themselves in the mirror, is convinced they're severely flawed, and goes to extreme measures to change their body into the vision they have in their head. It's pretty insane to watch the medical world go to the ends of the earth in order to make this mental condition not only normal, but celebrated. It's also bizarre to watch them seek out and destroy anyone who opposes something as insane as giving a child puberty blockers.