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Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:13 pm to The Pirate King
How do you know that's a tranny?-leftoids
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:16 pm to Sir Drinksalot
I believe we should all try to live our lives with tolerance, forgiveness, and grace.
Genuine gender dysphoria? Abject mental illness? Tolerance, forgiveness and grace. As long as no violence is being imposed upon my family I trust our ability to navigate a particular situation like this and come out of it with understanding and grace.
Fleeing this particular uncomfortable situation under the guise of protection of family values could possibly underscore the weakness of the family unit. iIt also projects fear- how could a transgender person serving you dinner possibly threaten you? I fear no moral quandary I face with my family, as we have built the skills to navigate these troubling circumstances.
Genuine gender dysphoria? Abject mental illness? Tolerance, forgiveness and grace. As long as no violence is being imposed upon my family I trust our ability to navigate a particular situation like this and come out of it with understanding and grace.
Fleeing this particular uncomfortable situation under the guise of protection of family values could possibly underscore the weakness of the family unit. iIt also projects fear- how could a transgender person serving you dinner possibly threaten you? I fear no moral quandary I face with my family, as we have built the skills to navigate these troubling circumstances.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:19 pm to 3oliv3
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iIt also projects fear- how could a transgender person serving you dinner possibly threaten you?
Why does it have to be threatening? Why can’t you just completely oppose everything about that situation and voice your disagreement in the manner the fatass OP did?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:22 pm to 3oliv3
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Tolerance, forgiveness and grace.
Sounds like a religious version of PC.
frick that.
A freak is a freak.
Just like when fat shaming was popular/allowed there were relatively few fat people. They have gone from being shamed to some trying to elevate them to some kind of ideal.
Same shite happening with tranny's.
Accepting it as normal is promoting it.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:22 pm to p&g
Excellent. Your money. Your choice.
Trannys make everything awkward and weird. Personally, It is difficult for me to interact with them, knowing they are mentally ‘off’.
Trannys make everything awkward and weird. Personally, It is difficult for me to interact with them, knowing they are mentally ‘off’.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:27 pm to Open Your Eyes
You obviously can, but you have to have a barometer for what causes you to leave a hypothetical dinner and I would draw that line at being felt threatened or that my family was in some sort of danger, not that a weird person merely exists.
I oppose the Atlanta Falcons but I’m not about to walk my family out of a dinner because of a waiter wearing their jersey. And a transgender person living their life probably has just as much impact on my life as any random falcons fan.
I oppose the Atlanta Falcons but I’m not about to walk my family out of a dinner because of a waiter wearing their jersey. And a transgender person living their life probably has just as much impact on my life as any random falcons fan.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:33 pm to 3oliv3
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you have to have a barometer for what causes you to leave a hypothetical dinner and I would draw that line at being felt threatened or that my family was in some sort of danger,
That’s nice. Does that mean everyone else has to feel that way?
If you and your family sit down at a restaurant and no one comes by to serve you for 30 minutes, are you leaving or staying? Are you judging other people that say they would leave the same way you’re doing here?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:36 pm to WinnPtiger
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there’s a 100% chance that 99% of people on this board have never been in the same room as a trans “person”
I’ve had a job where the security guard was a tranny. Guess I’m a 1%er
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:37 pm to The Boat
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where the security guard was a tranny
if our military isn’t 50% they/them by 2024, I won’t feel safe
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:44 pm to Open Your Eyes
Nope never said that nor did I make a recommendation for anyone else’s conduct. If you want to be bothered enough by a trans person merely serving you dinner to leave go for it. I just feel like we would all benefit with more tolerance forgiveness and grace. No endorsements- just understanding.
Not gonna worry about your strawman about waiting for service- we are very clearly discussing the waiter’s selfhood not every aspect of the restaurant experience.
Not gonna worry about your strawman about waiting for service- we are very clearly discussing the waiter’s selfhood not every aspect of the restaurant experience.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:51 pm to p&g
my kids are grown but if I had young kids it would come down to my wife being comfortable. if she was uncomfortable we would leave, I try not to let others bother me too much
so I dont disparage you for your choice, not sure how I would have handled it if I was in your shoes. would have to be a mutual decision on me and my wife’s part to stay or go.
that being said unless the server’s behavior was really bad my wife would probably not want to leave for fear of embarrassing ourselves by leaving.
so I dont disparage you for your choice, not sure how I would have handled it if I was in your shoes. would have to be a mutual decision on me and my wife’s part to stay or go.
that being said unless the server’s behavior was really bad my wife would probably not want to leave for fear of embarrassing ourselves by leaving.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:55 pm to 3oliv3
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Nope never said that nor did I make a recommendation for anyone else’s conduct.
You said his behavior projects fear, then said his behavior projects weakness of his family unit, then specifically asked how the waiter threatened him. Your words can say youre not not doing those things, your actions don’t.
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No endorsements- just understanding.
Tolerance is what allows the freak shows on the fringe of society to become mainstream.
If I dont understand the choices a person has made why should I have to pretend to just to keep them comfortable?
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Not gonna worry about your strawman about waiting for service- we are very clearly discussing the waiter’s selfhood not every aspect of the restaurant experience.
You specifically said you’re not leaving a restaurant if your family isn’t threatened. If that’s a lie and you’re not actually going to follow through with it, maybe try not saying it in the first place
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:57 pm to p&g
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I said F this, politely got the family up out of our seats and excused ourselves without incident other than me saying everybody has a choice.
proud of this brave soldier on the front line fighting for this country
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:04 am to p&g
Good decision
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:06 am to supatigah
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probably not want to leave for fear of embarrassing ourselves by leaving.
Reading between the lines, that seems to be a relatively prevalent factor in how some people are predicting they'd react to the situation. Not wanting to call attention to oneself. Either that, or they'd just have no problem with it under any circumstances.
But I'd be curious to hear how many of the same folks herein would react if the facts were revised inasmuch as instead of already having been seated before discovering the server is transexual, discovering that it will be the situation before even entering the door of the restaurant. And this absolutely isn't to be snarky to anyone or a gotcha of any sort, genuine curiosity here. Would the mother and father with say 2 kids under age 10 continue in to be seated, or would they subtly go back to car and go elsewhere?
Btw I could see my own situation going pretty much as you mentioned in yours.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 12:09 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:10 am to Open Your Eyes
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You said his behavior projects fear, then said his behavior projects weakness of his family unit, then specifically asked how the waiter threatened him. Your words can say youre not not doing those things, your actions don’t.
Just wanted to quote this for the fantastic logical fallacy. You said that I said what I said but then prescribed some “actions” (?) which I am not aware of.
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Tolerance is what allows the freak shows on the fringe of society to become mainstream. If I dont understand the choices a person has made why should I have to pretend to just to keep them comfortable?
Tolerance is not how we got here. A small subset of activists whose voices are louder than their virtues got us here. We have no idea if a trans person who is waiting tables subscribes to these militant activist beliefs, especially if they are waiting tables in a region of the country where they would encounter someone who seems as intolerant and graceless as the OP does. This is more the reason for forgiveness and grace. It may seem like the world is crazy and trans activists are taking over- reason will win in the end and affirm the moral panic you find yourself inside:
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You specifically said you’re not leaving a restaurant if your family isn’t threatened. If that’s a lie and you’re not actually going to follow through with it, maybe try not saying it in the first place
If you’re going to use the word “specifically” I would suggest you use it in the proper context of whether or not my family would leave if threatened by the waiter. Do you believe this moral stance would require me to sit at a table throughout a full dinner service while a busted pipe spewed sewage upon our heads?
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:19 am to dewster
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Why would you care enough to let this impact dinner/family time?
I think you missed his entire point
His family time shouldnt be spent explaining to a child about a public display of mental illness
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:26 am to RobbBobb
If we’re going to balance trade offs I’m going to go with the functioning mentally ill person making a living waiting tables who poses no threat to the table over the poor guy who omg has to have a discussion with his kids eventually. Y’all know there’s a worker shortage right now right?
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:33 am to RobbBobb
quote:Because causing a scene, confusing and/or insulting a person who is just trying to do their job, searching for a new restaurant, and then still not only having to explain to the child what was seen, but also having to explain your severe overreaction to it, is a much better way to spend family time?
I think you missed his entire point
His family time shouldnt be spent explaining to a child about a public display of mental illness
Seems far easier to just say "everyone is different, we'll talk about it later" and enjoy your meal.
And if you must ignore the various biological conditions that may affect the way people behave, feel, and are, and boil it all down to "mental illness", would you prefer if people with mental illnesses NOT appear in public or have jobs?
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