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re: So Purdue Pharma paid off the FDA, right?
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:55 am to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:55 am to Chucktown_Badger
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But you just said it was on the patients for taking their drugs as prescribed
Link?
Show where we said it was 100% on the patient. Thanks
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Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:56 am to RealityTiger
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How do you know? Do you sit in those meetings between Pharma rep and the FDA?
I can't believe that the FDA is employed with people who are that stupid, naive, and ignorant. I can't. It doesn't make sense how a ball that huge would have been dropped. And with scientific studies to back it up. Come on, man...
No, but for years I worked with the people who were in them, and heard the recaps of the meetings.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Show where we said it was 100% on the patient. Thanks
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“Can’t be held responsible for my addiction to pain killers. Must be big pharma’s fault.”
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:00 pm to Chucktown_Badger
I didntt say that chief. 
Plus, whoever said it wasn't putting 100% of the fault on the patient. You need to get off your high horse and try to be objective.
Plus, whoever said it wasn't putting 100% of the fault on the patient. You need to get off your high horse and try to be objective.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:03 pm to Rouge
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to squash
*quash.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:07 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:That kind of activity wouldn't be in a meeting chief. It would be in private conversations.
No, but for years I worked with the people who were in them, and heard the recaps of the meetings.
Using the supposed scientifically studied case of the FDA approving oxycontin as being 99% non addictive - I don't give a shite what your background is, how much experience you have, or how full of shite you think I am. The evidence is right there in front of our eyes. Somebody got paid in one way or another to say it was 99% non addictive. There's no way somebody studied that and came up with that as a legitimate answer.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:15 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
No,Purdue Pharma did not pay off the FDA.The role of the FDA is to require the drug companies prove that drugs are effective for intended use,benefits outweigh risk for harm,purity of drugs and issue recommended dosages and for what conditions the drug should be prescribed.The FDA can’t control over-prescribing and misuse of drugs..Back in 2001 the FDA strengthened their warnings about the potential for misuse and abuse of OxyContin.
Purdue Pharma put out propaganda to convince Drs. that the risks for addiction were overblown.Apparently they were in cahoots with JCAH (Joint Commission For Accreditation Hospitals) in pushing opioids.JCAH came up with the concept of pain as the (5th vital sign).and “educated” nurses and Drs,that for a patient to have any pain was unacceptable and that pain was “whatever the patient said it was”.
JCAH monitored patient charts closely to ensure that Drs. we’re ordering pain meds and that they were being liberally given.We even had a “clipboard” nurse going around checking patient charts and even quizzing patients as to whether their pain was being controlled.I saw her wake patients up and patient say they were in pain and the nurse was in trouble and would be “counseled”and threatened with loss of their job.
Hospitals were scared to death of JCAH because without accreditation they couldn’t receive Medicare reimbursement.
The state and some cities in West Virginia are suing JCAH in conjunction with Purdue Pharma.I doubt they get much from JCAH as the are a non-profit NGO But they should be held accountable and reined in.t
Of course JCAH denies any culpability,saying their guidelines were mis-construed.
I repeat,it was not the fault of the FDA,in my opinion.
Purdue Pharma put out propaganda to convince Drs. that the risks for addiction were overblown.Apparently they were in cahoots with JCAH (Joint Commission For Accreditation Hospitals) in pushing opioids.JCAH came up with the concept of pain as the (5th vital sign).and “educated” nurses and Drs,that for a patient to have any pain was unacceptable and that pain was “whatever the patient said it was”.
JCAH monitored patient charts closely to ensure that Drs. we’re ordering pain meds and that they were being liberally given.We even had a “clipboard” nurse going around checking patient charts and even quizzing patients as to whether their pain was being controlled.I saw her wake patients up and patient say they were in pain and the nurse was in trouble and would be “counseled”and threatened with loss of their job.
Hospitals were scared to death of JCAH because without accreditation they couldn’t receive Medicare reimbursement.
The state and some cities in West Virginia are suing JCAH in conjunction with Purdue Pharma.I doubt they get much from JCAH as the are a non-profit NGO But they should be held accountable and reined in.t
Of course JCAH denies any culpability,saying their guidelines were mis-construed.
I repeat,it was not the fault of the FDA,in my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:27 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
The bigger question to me is how is Oxy still legal now?
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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i didntt say that chief.
Plus, whoever said it wasn't putting 100% of the fault on the patient. You need to get off your high horse and try to be objective
I know you didn't say that hoss, that's why I said exactly that in my post edit.
Not sure what you mean by high horse, that doesn't really apply. My point is simply that Purdue is at fault for misleading the FDA, and the patients followed the direction of their doctors.
I've worked in this industry for about 20 years, so maybe, just maybe, I know a little bit more about how it works than many of you.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:36 pm to Landmass
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The problem really started when Obama made Darvocet illegal.
No, the problem started at the very beginning when PP had their own scientists lie that their shite wasn't addictive. This is 100% on PP for being greedy scum.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:37 pm to Giantkiller
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The bigger question to me is how is Oxy still legal now
Oxycontin is just oxycodone.. there are a number of oxycodone drugs currently on the market, though many of them differentiate via release mechanisms that prevent misuse or abuse of them. I worked on one of those products before I left my last job.
Oxycontin is only known because it was the one that started it all.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:40 pm to Landmass
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Landmass
Apparently, you know nothing about the opioid crisis.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:52 pm to Landmass
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Landmass
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The problem really started when Obama made Darvocet illegal. It was a very mild opiate that was prescribed for minor but persistent pain. But the idiot's in Washington that have no business in medical matters said that it had no medical benefit. So they banned it. People in pain switched from the very mild Darvocet to the heavier Vicodin and Percocet. This is when they got hooked, really.
None of that is true, really. Much more to the story than this idiot cared to mention.
Physicians say goodbye to worst drug in history.
It was taken off the market in many other places besides the U.S.
I imagine every single up vote this got was simply because you stupidly blamed Obama.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:57 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
What sucks is the company gets the punishment (rightfully so) but none of our Govt officials or congressmen will go to jail when they are just as guilty.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 12:59 pm to deltaland
I don't get the blaming in the patients who were over prescribed highly addictive drugs.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Stop judging Purdue Pharma you antisemite
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:01 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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They get paid to review the data that's submitted to them by a certain date. Any other payments to return an approval are incredibly illegal.
Yeah, because the government has never broken its own rules.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:09 pm to deltaland
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none of our Govt officials or congressmen will go to jail when they are just as guilty
What, exactly, did they do? I'm all for punishing those responsible, just want to understand who did what.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:11 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah, because the government has never broken its own rules.
If there's corruption or fraud that's one thing, and people can and are being punished for it. I was simply explaining how the payments to the FDA work and what they're for, since many here clearly have no understanding of the process.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:20 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Well while you live in the land of unicorns and rainbows where every government agency lives and dies by the laws and rules, I'll choose to live in reality where I understand crooked shite happens from time to time. The United States of America was founded on "crooked shite", by the way.
The issue here is not exactly how the process works. It's that they (the FDA along with Purdue) worked it to where they put their name behind a grossly irresponsible thing to say (that oxycontin was completely safe and non addictive) - so that Purdue could use that seal of approval to convince doctors that there was nothing to worry about. And they stated that it was after scientific studies that they determined that. That's the real kicker.
I believe you that you worked in that area and know a little more about the ins/outs than we do. But that's irrelevant. The argument is about the end result. And honestly, if you come from a background of everything being done by the book that's great. But something like a conversation between CEO of Purdue and the FDA is not going to be on the record nor will it be in the venue of where you are used to seeing business being conducted. So why would you have ever witnessed such a thing? It's not like something such as that would want to be witnessed in the first damn place.
The issue here is not exactly how the process works. It's that they (the FDA along with Purdue) worked it to where they put their name behind a grossly irresponsible thing to say (that oxycontin was completely safe and non addictive) - so that Purdue could use that seal of approval to convince doctors that there was nothing to worry about. And they stated that it was after scientific studies that they determined that. That's the real kicker.
I believe you that you worked in that area and know a little more about the ins/outs than we do. But that's irrelevant. The argument is about the end result. And honestly, if you come from a background of everything being done by the book that's great. But something like a conversation between CEO of Purdue and the FDA is not going to be on the record nor will it be in the venue of where you are used to seeing business being conducted. So why would you have ever witnessed such a thing? It's not like something such as that would want to be witnessed in the first damn place.
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