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re: So Purdue Pharma paid off the FDA, right?
Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:28 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:28 am to RLDSC FAN
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lol...the problem started long before Obama.
Yes, people had problems but they took away the easy to kick pain relievers so the problem became exponentially bad by this direction.
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Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:30 am to The Mick
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I would say absolutely the FDA was paid off, or totally blind. To get approval there's years of clinical trials that have to pass in multiple stages to gain FDA approval. Really hard to believe that all of those trials and results were legit.
The FDA goes off the data in the peer reviewed placebo controlled studies that are submitted to them. If Purdue was biasing the data in their favor (they were) then it impacted the approval. Pharma companies pay the FDA all the time for drug reviews but it's too get a guaranteed review time and response date (Google PDUFA), not to get a guaranteed approval.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:46 am to Landmass
I’m no fan at all of Obama but he was NOT the reason for the problem. It started long before Obama was ever even heard of.
Also, my wife and I literally finished The Pharmacist about 5 minutes before reading this thread. The show is very eye-opening and terrifying for those of us with young children.
Also, my wife and I literally finished The Pharmacist about 5 minutes before reading this thread. The show is very eye-opening and terrifying for those of us with young children.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:55 am to TigerMeister
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These frickers own our government/ politicians, and any attempt to curtail their power is communism/socialism/Marxism. So it’s probably not gonna happen.
A child's view of the world.
People should stop depending on gubment to protect you. Any idiot thinking that shite wasn't addictive probably can't tie their own shoes.
I don't have a problem wth the FDA per se, I just realize it's gubment and most likely a tangled bureaucracy.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:08 am to fallguy_1978
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He's most certainly watching The Pharmacist on Netflix
FIFY
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
“Can’t be held responsible for my addiction to pain killers. Must be big pharma’s fault.”
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:19 am to Rouge
quote:Not just possible, but likely. There is an entire society of lobbyists in D.C. who befriend members of congress and develop a quid pro quo relationship to be able to do whatever the frick they want to do, in whatever area of business they're in. From pharmaceutical companies, to tobacco companies, etc.
It is possible that they paid off strategic members of Congress to squash any federal investigations
Part of the documentary was the drug rep for Purdue talking about how he would push the idea of oxy's being non addictive because the FDA said so and allowed them to print that in the pamphlet that comes with the medicine. He would open that pamphlet up to health care professionals and point it out to them, as though it was the gospel to those concerns.
Now, you gonna tell me that the FDA doesn't somehow get paid under the table to make those determinations? If so, I'd like to sell you some ocean front property in Bunkie, LA.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:19 am to logjamming
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Can’t be held responsible for my addiction to pain killers. Must be big pharma’s fault.”
So you're suggesting the Purdue folks shouldn't be punished? Despite the fact that told doctors it wasn't addictive, they should prescribe it at levels that would lead to addiction and doctors told patients the same?
Some of you are so fricking weird and misguided.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 11:22 am
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:21 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Would love to know which ones they paid off.
What would be your course of action?
Or have we seen the full extent of it right here?
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:27 am to TigerFanInSouthland
No this is what happens when the government mandates doctors treat pain as a vital symptom and start penalizing doctors for not taking patients pain complaints seriously. You get over prescribed over strength pain killers in abundance
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:32 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Some of you are so fricking weird and misguided.
And some of you absolutely try to dismiss personal responibility. It's fricking weird.
Of course Purdue should be fined for lying or bribing. There were th Usanda of other players in the game, from government officials to physicians, to pharmacists. If you don't play by the rules, there should be consequences
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:35 am to RealityTiger
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Now, you gonna tell me that the FDA doesn't somehow get paid under the table to make those determinations? If so, I'd like to sell you some ocean front property in Bunkie, LA.
They get paid to review the data that's submitted to them by a certain date. Any other payments to return an approval are incredibly illegal.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And some of you absolutely try to dismiss personal responibility. It's fricking weird.
Of course Purdue should be fined for lying or bribing. There were th Usanda of other players in the game, from government officials to physicians, to pharmacists. If you don't play by the rules, there should be consequences
But you just said it was on the patients for taking their drugs as prescribed... personal responsibility, though I don't see how it applies in this situation
Eat- it was logjamming that said that actually, not you
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:38 am to Oilfieldbiology
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No this is what happens when the government mandates doctors treat pain as a vital symptom and start penalizing doctors for not taking patients pain complaints seriously. You get over prescribed over strength pain killers in abundance
Now the pendulum has swung the other way. Millions who have chronic pain are having a hard time finding relief.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:39 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:Exactly. Your point is? Oh, you're saying that every government agency does everything by the book and 100% legal?
They get paid to review the data that's submitted to them by a certain date. Any other payments to return an approval are incredibly illegal.
Like I said, there is an entire lobbyist society that lives in D.C. That's their sole purpose. And not just lobbying Congress either. Lobbying a business cause, with government agencies (such as the FDA), to be able to sell oxycontin under the premise that there is less than a 1% chance that its users will become addicted to them. Because the FDA says so.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:45 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:How do you know? Do you sit in those meetings between Pharma rep and the FDA?
Pharma companies pay the FDA all the time for drug reviews but it's too get a guaranteed review time and response date (Google PDUFA), not to get a guaranteed approval.
I can't believe that the FDA is employed with people who are that stupid, naive, and ignorant. I can't. It doesn't make sense how a ball that huge would have been dropped. And with scientific studies to back it up. Come on, man...
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Abso-fricking-lutely it has! This is touched on in The Pharmacist as well. The work that Dan Schneider did led up to cracking down on slinging out pain med prescriptions like hamburgers at McDonald's and cracking down on pill mill clinics. But it also created the giant fricking window for Heroin to make its comeback. He even says himself at the end of the documentary, "What I did was good, but it also created something worse. So did I really do any good at all?" (paraphrasing).
Now the pendulum has swung the other way.
This is why I think the end game to that whole situation is basically a matter of over time, people will get it through their head that getting high on heroin just isn't worth the gamble. Especially when it's being cut with lethal doses of fentanyl. But it will take hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people OD'ing for it to finally sink in. I just hope to God it's not my son or daughter one day.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:53 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Side note, Netflix is killing it. Their original content surpassed any legacy stuff they purchased licenses to show
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:55 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Paid off no but falsified information likely
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People should stop depending on gubment to protect you. Any idiot thinking that shite wasn't addictive probably can't tie their own shoes.
Truth, I’m no doctor, or chemist, or pharmacist, or in any other field that has to do with medicine. But what’s the difference with morphine and opioids to where people thought opioids weren’t addictive but knew morphine was?
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