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re: So Purdue Pharma paid off the FDA, right?

Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:36 pm to
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The argument is about the end result. And honestly, if you come from a background of everything being done by the book that's great. But something like a conversation between CEO of Purdue and the FDA is not going to be on the record nor will it be in the venue of where you are used to seeing business being conducted. So why would you have ever witnessed such a thing? It's not like something such as that would want to be witnessed in the first damn place.



My point is simply that the more likely (and apparent actual) thing that happened is that Purdue knowingly manipulated the data and the narrative and the FDA ruled based on what was both published and presented to them.

i do not think there was some back room off the record conversation between the Purdue CEO and "the FDA" (keeping in mind that many people are involved at different levels of approving a drug...there's not one person who provides the answer) to provide the approval in return for money or something else.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 1:37 pm
Posted by WITCH DOCTOR
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
3474 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:40 pm to
Follow the money...

Look at the board of directors to most of the major opioid companies and you will see some recognizable names...

Who happen to be in congress...

Hmmmm..Schumer
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31110 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:46 pm to
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Follow the money...

Look at the board of directors to most of the major opioid companies and you will see some recognizable names...

Who happen to be in congress...

Hmmmm..Schumer


Yup, that's exactly why we've overcorrected to the point that people can't get refills of longer than 7 days, physicians have now started to just tell patients to deal with the pain instead of getting pain meds, companies continue to advance their anti-abuse mechanisms built into the products, companies have stopped marketing direct to consumers, etc etc.

I love the building of the conspiracy with one statement and then assuming the connection of ten dots to go "see, conspiracy!!"

What board of directors is Schumer on? And oh by the way, Congress doesn't approve new drug applications.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
33068 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:16 pm to
I’m in love with her, the pharmacist daughter. She’s got my love I get her drugs.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3702 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:57 pm to
I don’t know where people get all these ideas that Obama had Darvocet taken off the market- conspiracy theorists I guess.Darvocet was taken off the market in 2010,long after Purdue Pharma put OxyContin on the market.Darvocet was taken off market because it was determined that it could cause lethal irregularities of heart rhythms.OxyContin was a controlled drug,but Purdue misled Drs.on the addictive potential.Then with the push of JCAH designating pain as 5th vital sign,no one should have pain etc.medical personnel were made to feel as if we were derelicts if we let any patient have any pain.JCAH pushed this idea hard.Some well meaning Drs.were perhaps too lax in prescribing opioids initially but when the problem started becoming apparent and they started pulling back,there were other unethical Drs.that were all too willing to write scrips for a price.
I just don’t see how anyone can blame the FDA.




Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5507 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 9:25 pm to
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I don’t know where people get all these ideas that Obama had Darvocet taken off the market


Obama derangement syndrome
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36373 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:08 pm to
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Furthermore, I wonder just how many other times that’s happened and with what drugs?
I heard that Sterling Cooper, a large advertising agency in Manhattan fought the good fight to prove that cigarettes weren’t addictive.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113945 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 10:31 pm to
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The problem really started when Obama made Darvocet illegal. It was a very mild opiate that was prescribed for minor but persistent pain. But the idiot's in Washington that have no business in medical matters said that it had no medical benefit. So they banned it. People in pain switched from the very mild Darvocet to the heavier Vicodin and Percocet. This is when they got hooked, really.


Jesus.. You are retarded and 26 people upvoted this.

Really. The problem started in the mid 90s when doctors decided to make sure all patients were comfortable at all times. Instead of patients having to deal with some short term discomfort after surgery, etc for some reason the medical word decided that if the patient said they had pain they were prescribing pain meds and Oxycotin was sold as a "miracle pain med". By the late 90s more and more people started becoming addicted to pain meds.

Obama had absolutely 0 to do with this epidemic. And if Obama himself made Darvocet illegal causing this problem, did Trump make it legal to stop the problem?
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3702 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:54 pm to
For goodness sakes,read my posts about JCAH and their responsibility for the opioid crisis.Doctors didn’t suddenly” decide to make sure patients were comfortable at all times” the medical world didn’t suddenly” decide that if the patient said they had pain they were getting pain meds.JCAH started all this.They came up with the concept of pain as the “5th vital sign”,”pain is what the patient said it is” and pain scale sheets in every patient room.There were also signs posted in patient rooms with message “You don’t have to have pain”.or words to that effect.
I graduated nursing school in 1975,Drs. always ordered pain medications and nurses always gave pain medications but they were given appropriately,for the most part.JCAH started pounding everybodies heads with all this “education” on pain and promoted this idea that no one should have pain,not ever.
It seemed to be the most important issue in patient care,more important than infection control,it was over the top.The hospital had a “ clipboard nurse” checking patient charts to make sure pain meds were ordered and were being given.They would quiz the patients if they felt their pain was being controlled.The nurses job was in jeopardy if a patient declared they had pain,no matter how comfortable they appeared to be and no matter what their vital signs reflected.I have seen patients awakened for vital signs,declare their pain level was a 10 and get a dose of whatever was ordered,often fentanyl.
JCAH monitored this closely and hospital could fail inspection if they found an instance where they felt a patient had some pain.
We weren’ t ogres that wanted patients to suffer.I occasionally had to talk patients into taking pain meds because they were clearly in pain but were afraid a dose or 2 of a narcotic would get them addicted.Pain control is an important issue in helping patients recover from major surgery or injury.But after the JCAH push narcotics were given excessively and sometimes inappropriately.
All this seemed to spillover to the Drs. and some of them became pretty liberal with the scripts they would write.Then there were a few Drs.that didn’t give a rat’s arse!they were in it for the money and would give pts.anything and everything they wanted.
Posted by MojoGuyPan
Intercession City, Florida
Member since Jun 2018
2797 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:36 am to
They're not addictive as manufctured. You take them home and turn them into Goody's or inject it, that's on you.

FDA tests are with people taking the pills as directed.

The reason why it wasn't addictive was because it was time release. You crush or chew up the pills you defeat the TR.
Posted by Tempratt
WRMS Girls Soccer Team Kicks arse
Member since Oct 2013
13345 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:48 am to
Well, yeah.

When it comes to government and politicians always assume fraud.

Always.
Posted by Tempratt
WRMS Girls Soccer Team Kicks arse
Member since Oct 2013
13345 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:54 am to
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the idiot's in Washington that have no business in medical matters said that it had no medical benefit. So they banned it.


That's the way it works. Same goes for old arse politicians making laws about technology issues.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113945 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:28 am to
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I don’t know where people get all these ideas that Obama had Darvocet taken off the market- conspiracy theorist


On one hand I can't believe someone posted that the opioid crisis was created by Obama, but on the other hand, considering all of the shite believed when it came to him it really isn't that surprising.

It is amazing what people will believe. But this mindset comes from both sides. People are fed all kinds of bullshite and they believe it if it fits their narrative.

And people think that the US president has a lot more power than he does.. But I do understand how people are so easily fooled and manipulated.. Because you can speak in front of a mass group of people and make up the most ridiculous story, idea, etc and there will be a percentage of people who will believe it no matter what.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15226 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:36 am to
Ever met Billy Tauzin?

He's the poster child for how the FDA became the dirty cops in big pharma's organized crime racket. Everybody keeps reelecting their congressman and state legislator because "their guy" isn't the problem, the other guy is the problem, they think.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 10:39 am
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