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re: So Did Michael Brown Have His Hands Up Or Not?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:50 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:50 pm to LuckyTiger
hands were at his side...at least one balled-up in a fist.
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:53 pm to prince of fools
3 seconds between the final two bullets.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:10 pm to LuckyTiger
His hands were up and he was surrendering to Darren Wilson when Darren Wilson jus plain shot da dude daid .... and Obama is going to give up golf and balance the federal budget. 
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:12 pm to jbgleason
It's 2014. Downloading digital video is not that difficult. Neither is storage. All can be done with a minimal amount of training. Just make it a part of the cops daily routine. Given recent events, I'm sure most cops would be all for this. It protects them just as much as the public.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:12 pm to jbgleason
You seem mad.
I don't know. What do the departments that already have body cams do to store the info? We will ask and then do that. Yay.
And the witnesses were oftentimes revealed to be full of shite. Witnesses 45 and 46 were both card carrying pieces of shite whose line never changed, but others weren't so steadfast in their bullshite.
From the Neo-Marxist spin doctors at the AP:
Associated Press
I don't know. What do the departments that already have body cams do to store the info? We will ask and then do that. Yay.
And the witnesses were oftentimes revealed to be full of shite. Witnesses 45 and 46 were both card carrying pieces of shite whose line never changed, but others weren't so steadfast in their bullshite.
From the Neo-Marxist spin doctors at the AP:
Associated Press
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:18 pm to KG6
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I'm going to say that there were not 18 people who actually saw what happened in the moments he was shot.
I think you would be wrong. The reason being that the first shots were fired as the two tussled in the truck. That brought everyone in the hood outside or to their windows to see what was going on.
The fatal shot was after brown had run away, Wilson had exited his vehicle and gave chase, and Brown had subsequently stopped, turned back toward Wilson, and charged him.
There was plenty of time for curious onlookers to get a view
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:34 pm to 318TigerFan
Hands up or not, it does not make a shite difference to me if you just punch me and approaching me again.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:38 pm to UL-SabanRival
Name a major department, or any department for that matter, that uses cameras across the board. I don't think there are any. Most agencies that have them at all have them in use by specialized units with a few in service. It just aggravates me that people, such as POTUS, think they can just order this to happen and it magically will. They literally haven't thought this through and it is going to be a massive cluster.
BTW, some guy out in California is suing his local agency under their Freedom of Information law demanding copies of ALL of their body cam footage. It's thousands of hours of footage. How do they handle that?
BTW, some guy out in California is suing his local agency under their Freedom of Information law demanding copies of ALL of their body cam footage. It's thousands of hours of footage. How do they handle that?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:50 pm to LuckyTiger
I think the term "hands up" has been redefined to anywhere above your feet.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:23 pm to jbgleason
Well, Kansas City and other cities have them and Taser has partnered with Oakley to make a camera/sunglasses combination for police forces. Maybe not across the board, but you don't need every single cop to have one.
They already have cameras in the cruisers. How do they handle that? Obviously, they do. I know it ain't cheap, but neither are shitstorms like ferguson, which could be avoided with the use of body cameras.
They already have cameras in the cruisers. How do they handle that? Obviously, they do. I know it ain't cheap, but neither are shitstorms like ferguson, which could be avoided with the use of body cameras.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 2:42 am to UL-SabanRival
Don't believe Ferguson has cameras in their units...never heard of video evidence of the intital confrontation...it's a crappy dept that spends $30-35K on a Tahoe but can't put a damn camera in it or give their officers Tasers...maybe if he has a damn Taser this incident never gets to the point of lethal force?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:01 am to LuckyTiger
Hands up = absolute fiction
Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:14 am to LuckyTiger
The entrance wounds on his arms suggest his hands weren't up. Unless his hands were up with palms facing himself and the back of his hands facing out toward Wilson.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:39 am to jbgleason
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People. And by people, I mean you and the President, think this is so simple.
b/c it is pretty simple
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Just slap a camera on every officer and all is solved
Creating arguments for other people, nice
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What the frick are you going to do with the Terabyte of video that a larger department generates EVERY DAY? Give it a few minutes of thought, you have to keep the video for your perfect idea to work. So where do you think it will all go? Who is going to pay for all that storage?
People have thought about it. Data storage is cheap, especially long term backups. The idea is that the body camera puts cops on their best behavior and gives evidence that supports their story in lawsuits, actually saving the departments money. It has been backed up by some department who have implemented it around the country.
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It's not so damn easy.
It really is so damn easy. Do you understand how many cameras a city already has running at 1 time? This isn't some new idea.
Taser International already handles this for departments. They manage the data and supply the cameras. Large amounts of data storage isn't unique to police departments.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 3:58 am
Posted on 12/2/14 at 4:54 am to LuckyTiger
one up one down
I am always half right.
I am always half right.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 5:07 am to SabiDojo
No not at all, the rioters of ferguson seem like pretty level headed people...
Posted on 12/2/14 at 6:41 am to TigerBait1127
Taser International offers the service? Funny that two of you know the name and services of this company. They are a group of marketing geniuses. They do, in fact, offer to house the data. At a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Besides the financial aspect of it, there are very real legal issues with turning over unedited electronic data from a law enforcement agency to a private third party. Not to mention the privacy issues. Cost, storage, legalities, privacy and the list goes on.
I am not in law enforcement but I do have some visibility on this issue through an industry partner and I can tell you that, despite what you are writing on the Internet, it is not as easy as you make it out to be.
Besides the issues above, think about the difficulties of working out a reasonable policy on the cameras with officers and their union. That alone will be a killer.
I am not in law enforcement but I do have some visibility on this issue through an industry partner and I can tell you that, despite what you are writing on the Internet, it is not as easy as you make it out to be.
Besides the issues above, think about the difficulties of working out a reasonable policy on the cameras with officers and their union. That alone will be a killer.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 6:45 am to LuckyTiger
No, but liberals have never let facts get in the way of a good talking point
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and HELL NO!!!!!!!
Posted on 12/2/14 at 6:59 am to LuckyTiger
The liberal media and most African Americans wants his hands to be up, so they are up. It's just one white officer doing his job, but because we have a race that wants to ignore the findings in this case, his hands will always be up.
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