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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:03 am to 4LSU2
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:03 am to 4LSU2
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LE, I've slept on it and here is my official theory: Hayes is a big bastard that is driving a H2 he purchased from the lawsuit that was settled from the case of his father being killed by the NOPD for knife wielding while being drugged out of his gord. He takes pride in his ride and got upset when a drunken Smith almost smashed the shite out of it actually slightly taps it with his front bumper. Hayes then sees Smith speed off and chased/ followed him to make Smith accountable for the slight tap that didn't damage either vehicle. Hayes sees this action as disrespect and isn't being disrespected with his friend in the whip. Once Hayes engages the next fender bender to stop Smith, both guys exit their vehicles. Hayes thinks his size is an asset until he sees the former defensive end in great physical shape and resorts to talk of the firearm to get Smith either on his level or down another level. I do believe Smith had a gun in his vehicle (both of my vehicles have firearms in them), which is perfectly legal. My theory is that Hayes lit Smith up when he "felt threatened" that Smith was going back to his vehicle. This is where my theory ends. Once Hayes "felt threatened" in his mind, while not seeing a gun, he shoots Smith in the back and continues to shoot. This is consistent with the eye witness accounts on the previous video, as well as statements on Sunday that Smith was shot in the back. If my theory is dead on balls accurate, Hayes is guilty of murder. I do not care what transpired a block and a half away. Hayes cannot shoot Smith because he said he had a gun. Once Smith goes to his vehicle to pursue a gun, Hayes has time to retreat to his vehicle and attempt to leave the scene. IF it is proven that Hayes followed Smith to his vehicle and started firing his weapon hitting Smith in the back, he's spending the rest of his life in Angola, which is a tragedy for all parties. I also want to know if Hayes has a legal CCP and what his BAC was. If he did not have a CCP and shot Smith outside of his vehicle or home, he's guilty of additional charges.
I think this is probably what happened also.
How many people here would chase down another car because someone tapped them? What are we talking in damage? A few hundred dollars at the most?
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:05 am to Rebel
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Drew probably knows more than the average person
This. People that don't think that somebody in the saints organization hasn't been briefed by the NOPD are pretty much stupid.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:10 am to bencoleman
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Posted by 4LSU2
on 4/12/16 at 5:15 am to Lester Earl
LE, I've slept on it and here is my official theory:
Hayes is a big bastard that is driving a H2 he purchased from the lawsuit that was settled from the case of his father being killed by the NOPD for knife wielding while being drugged out of his gord.
Why are people so fixated on this money? You do realize it was somewhere between 75-125k and it was 10 years ago. He did not get any millions as the news keeps highlighting in their phrase of $4million lawsuit.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:16 am to bencoleman
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This. People that don't think that somebody in the saints organization hasn't been briefed by the NOPD are pretty much stupid.
Lets be fair. The nopd hasnt mentioned anything About a hit and run.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:44 am to JasonL79
No way Hayes had a CCP.
He was on probation for gun and weapons charges.
He was on probation for gun and weapons charges.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:46 am to diat150
So now the police are implying that more than one gun was fired and that the second gun has not been recovered yet. It sure sounds like the other gun may have been fired by Smith. if so, who fired first is the question.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:48 am to Cosmo
I've slept on it too and I still believe if the Smith party wouldn't have been acting out this would have never happen. You don't get into a hood rat argument and threaten you have a gun. A responsible gun owner would have never done that.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:49 am to diat150
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Lets be fair. The nopd hasnt mentioned anything About a hit and run
Not to the public.I don't think the earlier incident have any bearing on any charges Hayes has against him. I think he's toast.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:51 am to SomethingLikeA
I read about the settlement.
2 of the survivors of Hayes father filed a 4 million dollar law suit against the city.
City offered 80k to each. They countered with 125. The article didn't say what the final amount was. But after attorney fees, it sounds like most he could've recieced was 80 thousand.
2 of the survivors of Hayes father filed a 4 million dollar law suit against the city.
City offered 80k to each. They countered with 125. The article didn't say what the final amount was. But after attorney fees, it sounds like most he could've recieced was 80 thousand.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:55 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Link? If a second gun was fired this thing has taken a completely different path
So now the police are implying that more than one gun was fired and that the second gun has not been recovered yet
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:59 am to 4LSU2
Your theory could very well be right. But everyone keeps saying Hayes followed Smith back to his car after Smirh said he had a gun. And that he had time to retreat. This is not indeed a fact and technically should still be part of your theory.
It's plausible that Smtih never left the door jam of his car, to where he simply turned & reached for a weapon
It's plausible that Smtih never left the door jam of his car, to where he simply turned & reached for a weapon
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:00 am to GynoSandberg
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A lot of the emotional people from the oringal thread on Saint talk are the same ones here. Along with the people with Ohio St logos. This event may be a little to fresh for them to see if from an unbiased perspective (which I understand)
I'm withholding posting about what I think until the facts play out. Will Smith was a beloved member of the Ohio State community and by all accounts did a lot of good things. That doesn't mean that he couldn't make a really dumb mistake that ultimately cost him his life.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:01 am to Lester Earl
Yeah its dumb. They were literally 10 feet apart if neither even moved when they got out of their vehicles. There is no such thing as following when that close.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:02 am to diat150
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So now the police are implying that more than one gun was fired and that the second gun has not been recovered yet
Where have they ever said a second gun was fired?
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:03 am
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:07 am to nolaTiger24
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So now the police are implying that more than one gun was fired and that the second gun has not been recovered yet
Where have they ever said a second gun was fired?
Hopefully Chief Inspector Brees will have a presser to fill in the public on new developments.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:08 am to Rebel
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Drew probably knows more than the average person because I'm sure someone from The Saints PR Dept has released some sort of information to the players.
I read Drew's interview last night. It was a defense of his ex teammate Smith. Exactly what I expect him to say, but he didnt hint even once that Smith could have done something wrong, and even started by saying "I dont know all the facts"
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Brees: I" don’t know the exact details around it, but two guys get out of a car and the next thing you know, one of them pulls out a .45. And not only is he shooting the guy he’s arguing with, but he goes to shoot at everybody in the car, including his wife. And who knows? It could have been the rest of his family in that car.
So again, Brees thinks he tried to kill everyone in the car...yet Hayes stayed on scene until the cops got there. Why didnt he continue to try and attempt to "kill everyone in the car" while he waited for the cops?
Mrs Smith getting hit with a stray bullet= Hayes trying to shoot everyone in the car.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:10 am to VABuckeye
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That doesn't mean that he couldn't make a really dumb mistake that ultimately cost him his life.
This. It is very possible that had he pulled over after rear ending the Hummer (if in fact it was Smith who did this), he might still be alive.
But with a crazy idiot like the shooter, who can really know?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:10 am to Lester Earl
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Why didnt he continue to try and attempt to "kill everyone in the car" while he waited for the cops?
It does appear that he emptied his clip into Smith. Perhaps he had no more rounds to fire?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:13 am to Lester Earl
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It's plausible that Smtih never left the door jam of his car, to where he simply turned & reached for a weapon
I don't get why it's so hard for people to grasp this. People want to believe that Smith and Hayes were arguing in the middle of the street and Hayes shot Smith in the back, for no reason, as he was walking back to his vehicle.
The much more likely scenario is that Hayes and Smith were arguing from the door jams of their vehicles. Hayes threatened Smith with a gun and Smith makes a comment about being armed himself. At this point Smith probably turned to reach into his vehicle and Hayes approached Smith's vehicle and opened fire in a panic. This would also explain why so many shots were fired and how Smith's wife was hit.
If this is the case then it's murder, but I don't think it was in cold blood like so many want to believe. It's also entirely speculation on my part.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:15 am
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:15 am to VABuckeye
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It does appear that he emptied his clip into Smith. Perhaps he had no more rounds to fire?
If he emptied his mag into just Smith, how'd he try to kill everyone in the car?
Anyway where are we getting that info that he emptied his magazine?
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