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re: Small 4 banger turbo cars for 50K+

Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:02 pm to
Yeah a Volvo, with the only turbo charged, supercharged engine ever produced.
What could go wrong?

Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14934 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:09 pm to
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Yeah a Volvo, with the only turbo charged, supercharged engine ever produced. 
What could go wrong



Throw a rod out in the middle of no where out of cellphone range?

On the plus side, satellite phones are cheaper Detroit Deisel had a 2 cycle engine like that.
Big difference though.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:38 pm to
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but pisses me off every time I go to pass someone and get a two second turbo lag.


Supercharger ftw. No lag on my supercharged Audi.
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3379 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:50 pm to
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No lag on my supercharged Audi.



Word. B8.5 S4 fat. Supercharged 3.0 V6
Posted by CMBears1259
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
4846 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 8:54 pm to
This thread is making me miss my 2015 turbo diesel Passat!
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30035 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:01 pm to
Modern turbos will not have telepathic throttle response like say a BMW S54 but they are quite good. No need to hit the throttle before the apex to have the power come on on exit.

Superchargers have essentially no boost lag but they suffer from significant amounts of parasitic loss, they just throw power away. They also can't provide high levels of boost without being physically larger compared to turbos. They also only allow one boost curve with a given drive ratio. However, another pro in the S/C camp vs the turbo engine is a S/C doesn't muffle the sound.

That said the Audi TFSI 3L SC engine is one of the best performance V6 engines ever built.

Posted by 3deadtrolls
lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
6720 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:42 pm to
Next gen F150 will have a 1.5L 4cyl with nine turbos.
Posted by Cwar11
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2010
2291 posts
Posted on 11/23/17 at 11:22 pm to
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Fun Fact: All Volvo cars are exclusively available with 4 cylinder engines.

Just bought a Volvo S90 with a turbo charged 4 banger. 3 driving modes to the car. Eco, comfort, & dynamic. MF’er will flat get it in dynamic mode.
Fun fact first 1500hp formula 1 engine was a BMW 1.5L 4 banger. Don’t sleep on the 4 banger you might just get your doors blown off by one.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
2142 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 12:45 am to
LINK
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Agreed, the ATS is a low 14 second car stock, high 13's with a tune.


That was a little exaggerated. They are running low 13s with e85 kit, and 12.7 with the $2700 package in the link
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27004 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 1:26 am to
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That was a little exaggerated. They are running low 13s with e85 kit, and 12.7 with the $2700 package in the link


Yea I can see that, it usually doesn't take much $$$ in mods to add some serious HP to cars that come from the factory with a supercharger or a turbocharger.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17337 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 7:41 am to
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ATS is a low 14 second car


The two door model looks pretty cool.
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13499 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 7:53 am to
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Volvo S90

I was at a redlight next to one of these the other day and the guy absolutely dusted me. Of course, I didn’t know we were racing but still. If I were in the market for a sedan in that range, the S90 would be a no-brainer.
Posted by HES
Member since Feb 2015
132 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 8:08 am to
Got my wife the new Q5 Sport 3.0 which has the V6 last year for $46k. Fully loaded. It took a bit negotiating, but I told them I wasn’t going over $46. Just leave, they’ll call you a few days later. This was the Audi dealership on Airline in BR if that means anything. Good luck!
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72899 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 9:13 am to
quote:

Just bought a Volvo S90 with a turbo charged 4 banger. 3 driving modes to the car. Eco, comfort, & dynamic. MF’er will flat get it in dynamic mode.

Fun fact first 1500hp formula 1 engine was a BMW 1.5L 4 banger. Don’t sleep on the 4 banger you might just get your doors blown off by one.
Fun Fact
You are trying to pick a fight where there ain’t a fight.

My reporting that all Volvo cars’ engines are four cylinders was done completely without prejudice and was truly for informational purposes only.

I’m considering a Volvo for my next company ride.
This post was edited on 11/24/17 at 9:17 am
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 9:20 am to
We put our T5 in Dynamic every single time we drive it. Easiest way to bypass the auto-stop feature.

Posted by HooDooWitch
TD Bronze member
Member since Sep 2009
11184 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 11:18 am to
Find a 1987 Buick Grand National for $20,000. Put the rest of your money in an investment. If anyone makes a snide comment give them the finger.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30035 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 11:46 am to
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Volvo S90
quote:

MF’er will flat get it in dynamic mode.


Let's not get carried away now...

The S90 has perfectly adequate acceleration for a mid-sized car but you can't talk about a car "gettin it" when you would be left holding your dick at a stoplight watching a LEXUS ES pull away from you.
Posted by Cwar11
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2010
2291 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 12:15 pm to
Source
Lexus ES 0-60 = 7.5 sec
Volvo S90 0-60 = 6.4 sec
This post was edited on 11/24/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted by iwasthere
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
1915 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 12:58 pm to
Doesn’t the Honda Civic Type R have a 2.0t that gets like 305?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30035 posts
Posted on 11/24/17 at 2:09 pm to
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Lexus ES 0-60 = 7.5 sec
Volvo S90 0-60 = 6.4 sec


I know this isn't a car forum but citing a Volvo marketing site is a little, umm suspect.

What you want is actual instrumented tests, at least from the same source so their track, drivers and procedures. Obviously, the perfect scenario would be same day comparisons but you can't always find those.

Car & Driver has the Volvo at 6.3 0-60 14.8 1/4, the ES 350 5.8 0-60 and 14.2 1/4.

As I said the ES350 has more acceleration potential so unfortunately, you will have to look at Grandma in the other lane with a fresh eye.

Volvo

Lexus

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