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re: Shooter reported at Texas' Santa Fe High School: At least 9 dead
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:44 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:44 pm to fr33manator
I heard earlier there were 3 armed people on campus, one of which was shot I the engagement, not sure if that was debunked
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:44 pm to Pendulum
Eh, moving targets at close range...depends on the skill of the shooter.
Shotgun is a killer close quarters weapon. A trench sweeper.
Shotgun is a killer close quarters weapon. A trench sweeper.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:50 pm to YStar
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Which one of you idiots is THIS?
What in the frick
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:53 pm to fr33manator
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Eh, i’ve Said before that a 12g with buckshot is optimal for a mass shooting at close range with soft targets.
You’ve got the pistol to hold off attackers while you reload and buckshot is devastating over a confined area.
The thing here is the intent to kill, and kill indiscriminately. Not the method. The method is simply a tool.
I don't want to take anyone's guns, but there is no way you can convince me that you'd prefer to face someone with an AR-15 and multiple 15 round magazines over someone with a shotgun and a revolver.
I'm well aware of how dangerous a shotgun and revolver can be, but it's the lesser of two evils. You're spraying buckshot into people fleeing after the first shot. You're not shooting at a mass of bodies just standing there. You've also got 11 rounds total before you've got to reload, and a considerable amount of time in the care of a revolver and shotgun.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:07 pm to fr33manator
Yes I agree, shotgun is much more foolproof. Your gonna get 3 or 4 people automatically
But after that, the ar15 would be scarier, if the person has shot a gun before.
But after that, the ar15 would be scarier, if the person has shot a gun before.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:26 pm to slackster
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I don't want to take anyone's guns, but there is no way you can convince me that you'd prefer to face someone with an AR-15 and multiple 15 round magazines over someone with a shotgun and a revolver.
As a soft target, yes i’d Take the AR.
I mean, I can’t fathom being huddled in a corner with no means of fighting back.
But I’ve stared down a barrel. .45. Silver. I’ll never forget it.
I know what guns do. And i’d take my chances in close quarters against at 5.56 over buckshot any day.
I’ll tell you what gets me. This scared herd gazelle mentality. The run and hide over the fight. If the shite is hitting the fan i’m not cowering. I’m throwing everything i have against imminent death. Especially if I have any notice.
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I'm well aware of how dangerous a shotgun and revolver can be, but it's the lesser of two evils. You're spraying buckshot into people fleeing after the first shot. You're not shooting at a mass of bodies just standing there. You've also got 11 rounds total before you've got to reload, and a considerable amount of time in the care of a revolver and shotgun.
None of that matters. Picking the method you die is just a fools game. An active shooter situation shouldn’t be fricking duck and cover tactics like we are hiding from nukes. It’s pushing everything in the room up against the door and breaking out the windows to escape. It’s attacking from multiple angles.
If you’re gonna be a target be a hard target
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:26 pm to grape nutz
It's the same thing over and over, when we have a mass shooting. It happens, there is continuous coverage for two or three days, people come into these threads and argue about the same bullshite and then everyone eventually moves on.
Each situation is different and I don't know what laws can be implemented, that will stop this from happening as much as it does, but I know one thing. As long as you have people in office, on both sides of the isle, who are not willing to compromise and have special interest groups, with a lot of money, who lobby for what's in their best interest, this is something that will just continue to happen.
But this is not a simple issue. There needs to be a different way to approach this.
I think holding parents or guardians responsible for their kid's actions is one way to approach this.
Maybe more research needs to be done on the shooters who commit these mass shootings. Find out, at what point, did they decide to do this. Look more into what could have possibly triggered them and if there was certain changes in them, that might not be easily noticed, but if identified could raise flags and people can take action.
There are a few "common sense" gun laws that should be passed. It's a complex issue and people need to just shut the frick up, stop worrying about if the government is trying to take your rights away or thinking the government should pass some insane gun laws and be more reasonable. We need people in Washington willing to compromise... Not people who are not going to budge on issues. This country shouldn't be ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal. It needs to be sensible and be in the best interest of the people, but as long as you have the crazies from both sides thinking the government should be ran under one certain platform, it's going to be the same thing. Over and over.
Each situation is different and I don't know what laws can be implemented, that will stop this from happening as much as it does, but I know one thing. As long as you have people in office, on both sides of the isle, who are not willing to compromise and have special interest groups, with a lot of money, who lobby for what's in their best interest, this is something that will just continue to happen.
But this is not a simple issue. There needs to be a different way to approach this.
I think holding parents or guardians responsible for their kid's actions is one way to approach this.
Maybe more research needs to be done on the shooters who commit these mass shootings. Find out, at what point, did they decide to do this. Look more into what could have possibly triggered them and if there was certain changes in them, that might not be easily noticed, but if identified could raise flags and people can take action.
There are a few "common sense" gun laws that should be passed. It's a complex issue and people need to just shut the frick up, stop worrying about if the government is trying to take your rights away or thinking the government should pass some insane gun laws and be more reasonable. We need people in Washington willing to compromise... Not people who are not going to budge on issues. This country shouldn't be ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal. It needs to be sensible and be in the best interest of the people, but as long as you have the crazies from both sides thinking the government should be ran under one certain platform, it's going to be the same thing. Over and over.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:33 pm to slackster
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but there is no way you can convince me that you'd prefer to face someone with an AR-15 and multiple 15 round magazines over someone with a shotgun and a revolver.
I'd face a guy with an AR-15 over a guy with a shotgun every single time.
One weapon requires the ability to aim center mass under pressure. The other requires pointing the barrel in the general direction of your target.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:34 pm to OweO
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There are a few "common sense" gun laws that should be passed.
I agree. Repeal the 1934 NFA to start. Then we can start talking about compromise.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:36 pm to OweO
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There are a few "common sense" gun laws that should be passed. It's a complex issue and people need to just shut the frick up, stop worrying about if the government is trying to take your rights away or thinking the government should pass some insane gun laws and be more reasonable. We need people in Washington willing to compromise... Not people who are not going to budge on issues. This country shouldn't be ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal. It needs to be sensible and be in the best interest of the people, but as long as you have the crazies from both sides thinking the government should be ran under one certain platform, it's going to be the same thing.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:38 pm to Centinel
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I agree. Repeal the 1934 NFA to start. Then we can start talking about compromise.
Why do you want it repealed? It was a law of it's time, but how does it affect you today?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:40 pm to OweO
quote:do you even know what it is ?
OweO
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:41 pm to slackster
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What’s the shooters name?
Why is this still a top reply? This should be taken down immediately and never spoken of again. Reporting on his name and face only guarantees another cycle of violence. If you really care about the kids, sacrifice your ratings and page hits. This is from Alternate History Hub and a must watch: How the American Media Fuels a Cycle of Violence
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:41 pm to OweO
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Why do you want it repealed?
Because that was the "compromise" of its day. And yet more and more compromises were pushed for over the years.
My point is that "compromise" is bullshite. The anti-gun crowd get a "compromise" and then immediately begin pushing for additional legislation.
frick that shite. Repeal the NFA and all subsequent legislation.
Shall not be infringed.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:42 pm to OWLFAN86
Of course not. He’s schpiels ok wheels.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:42 pm to OWLFAN86
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do you even know what it is ?
I know where your mom's mouth is when it's on my shaft.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:44 pm to OweO
so thats a no
you really are a colossal piece of shite
you really are a colossal piece of shite
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:49 pm to OWLFAN86
Why do you hijack threads when I am posting in them? Anytime you see that I posted in a thread you follow me into it.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:50 pm to OweO
have you ever considered actually having a thought before you shared yours?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:52 pm to OWLFAN86
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have you ever considered actually having a thought before you shared yours?
Have you ever thought about not being obsessed with me?
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 9:53 pm
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