re: Sheriff’s Deputy charged with first degree murder (Shooting video in OP)

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Something about your post hit me in the feels. Before that I was just angry now I have a sense of hollow pain. The idea of being alone, scared, and calling the police for help resulting in getting gunned down in your own kitchen over an empty pot and a quip that was taken wrong is just so tragic.

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It's just crazy to me. She literally thanked them for coming out and even said, "I love you" as they entered her house. She was also praying out-loud as they entered, because she was scared.

She tried, to the best of her abilities, follow along with whatever they were asking of her.

It seemed like that one cop had zero patience. He was making snarky comments before they even went into her house. With an attitude and a sarcastic tone he was like, "you know.. we're the people you called..."

He didn't need to get upset or lose his mind after she said she rebuked them once they showed they didn't trust her. I don't believe he needed to draw his weapon at that point at all. And even after that it looks like she still tried to do what he was asking. If the clearer video is accurate then she did let go of the pot and only held up oven mitts with her hands as she cowered down. So many times you will see cops try to talk mental people down to a place of comfort. Just can't believe he lost his mind over it.

Why couldn't he at least draw his taser. ((Shouldn't have drawn anything.) He said he was going to shoot her in the head and he actually did as she was cowered down behind the counter.

You will see cops actually threatened still talk a mental person down without escalating to 100. Even if a mental person says they will harm them. This ex cop sucks.

It's really quite sad. I don't want this guy getting off. He needs to go to prison for a very very long time.

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We all act like we could make split second decisions perfectly. There is a reason 90% of us are not cops. Its a difficult job.

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Yeah, well, this guy is now in the "90%" of us that aren't cops because split-second decisions clearly aren't his forte either. And he's about to join the 1% of us in prison, where he belongs, because of just how far from perfect his split-second decision making turned out to be.

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be wary of authoritarianism in whatever form it is,, will be magnetic watch how quickly the weakest shift

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I'm 45 and have already seen it in my 25 years or so of paying attention. The parties exchange control, yet it seems like two constants that are always traveling in one direction, are the erosion of our rights, and the shift to law enforcement prizing tactics, and kit, above scenario-specific decision making and logical application of force.

Eventually the straight lines from those two independent trajectories will cross.

And some might find this petty, but infantry style arm sleeves, knuckle tats, Punisher type imagery, and ridiculous tactical kit, have no place in 99% of American law enforcement. They're supposed to be community safety officers. Not Army Rangers. Playacting as military encourages an antagonistic approach that makes the public the enemy. Because the purpose of a military is to fight enemies, not keep you safe.

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tough to fully say he's completely in the wrong.

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Wut?

What a fricking POS scumbag. Hopefully he’s dealt with in prison.

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That's tough to watch, and tough to fully say he's completely in the wrong. If there's any substantial amount of water on that floor, she didn't dump it all out completely and was beginning to get aggressive. Put yourself in that cops shoes. Would you let someone throw boiling hot fricking water at you? I wouldn't. You wouldn't either if you were a cop. If she poured just a bit out and still had some in there acting like she was going to do something with it, frick her. Let's all act like a piping hot pot of water cannot be used as a weapon.

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I don't think she was getting aggressive. I think she had a defensive moment after being incredibly scared and they approached with guns drawn.

My question is this. What's going to happen after she throws the pot or water at their feet? What's left for her there? Still not understanding why you wouldn't have one on taser (lead) and one on lethal (gun) for this circumstance. And that's If you feel you need to even press. I still don't believe it was a situation that required pressing.

I have put myself in the cop's shoes and I would have never escalated the situation over what she said. I would also not approach her while she is around the water or pot if I am that afraid of it. We see guys literally holding actual guns get more time and reasoning from cops. She was staying by the sink. I would have continued to keep space and observed her. I would have been much more patient with her. I believe she comes out soon and they are eventually on their way. I don't believe she is getting around that counter with a pot fast enough before I could actually feel the need to go lethal.

I don't agree that any of this had to be a split second decision. There was plenty of time to figure out a plan and a reaction to it. We are still talking about a pot that likely still required oven mitts to even handle. My reaction to a pot thrown at my feet is not going to be shooting her. It's just not. I'm going to back up and avoid the throw and then access afterwards.

Of course it's a difficult job, but with taking a life you should be held to a certain standard and accountability. That also has to come with the job.

And again, no, you don't have to run and tackle her. You didn't have to get angry with her over her comment. You could keep distance. It's a pot. You have plenty of distance to observe whether or not she is even going to come at you with it. It's not even like a pan (easier to handle and repeatedly use.) I believe it takes two hands for her to really hold this pot properly.

Tell me this. And this is my biggest complaint of all complaints.

Why would you approach her if she is at the sink with the pot of water you are so afraid of?

Why would you not continue to keep distance and order her to back away from the perceived dangerous threat? Why press in that situation?

Why would you approach? It doesn't make sense to me if that is the biggest concern. It's not necessary. The only sense it makes is that the cop had no patience.

She originally was letting go of the pot and putting her hands up, but as they approached she got scared and just threw it at their feet. Continue to keep space and order her away from the pot. Period. Why put yourself in a position for her to react that way and get you if not necessary. They already put her in the position to begin with so they need to give her more patience there.

if she took the pot to the sink after they asked her to address the situation, why couldn't they wait until she was finished with it? if she wanted to come at them with the pot then why did she take it to the sink? at least see if she is going to motion towards you with the pot first. seems like the longer you have patience the less dangerous the water becomes. why would you not just keep your distance and let it actually play out? so meanwhile the water continues to cool the longer you draw the situation out. i think i would just keep carrying on conversation from afar if i was afraid. this situation didn't need to be advanced like that. they were in her house asking her to address the pot. if they wanted to pull their guns out that's fine, but they didn't need to approach. imagine if it was a gun on the counter. are they going to approach her? and then she has the opportunity to grab and draw the gun. no. draw guns, fine, but keep the distance and order her away. this is not even a gun situation. this officer was looking for a reason and i regret that type of behavior under these circumstances.

Damn good points, and spot on.

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Yeah, this guy says he should at least gone for taser.

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For what reason should he have even grabbed a taser?

BLM baby